Do you think it's shocking that so many people are defending Bear online? That kind of surprised me.

Yeah.

I mean, most people are not, but there is a group of people that are defending him.

And for me, it's funny because as an actor, I want to play the character and not judge him because I need to be able to believably do the things he does and find a way to justify it to make a believable performance.

But when I'm talking about the character, I have to be kind of careful about, because he does some terrible things.

that I wouldn't do.

But so then you've got people coming up to me being like, dude, Bear's awesome.

Biggest green flag?

That's an interesting idea.

I mean, you may be right.

It may be that certain technologies come along that change the game in ways that are very hard to predict.

And that's a very good example of one that could.

I do think that, though, that the home ownership issue is an issue here.

It's an issue in many countries.

And Jonathan Lord Sumption said this to us when we interviewed him on our podcast a few years ago.

But I have been wondering if classical liberalism, How does classical liberalism deal with 5 million people from New Zealand, 5 million inhabitants here, Maori, what have you, diversity, if you will, and adding 5 million Islamists to this? Does classical liberalism have a framework for taking in people who want to –

Yeah, 'cause it's changed now with self-tape.

Yeah, with tapes.

It's almost all tapes.

Um, something that I learned from little bit of theater that I've done is to sort of kind of be aware of the surroundings and kinda like find a way to kinda root myself in the s- in the space, uh, where I am.

So, uh, something that I loved to do when we did that, when we used to go into the rooms, was just sorta like really kinda take in everything around me.

Uh, like, so, uh, I'm learning my lines, I got my lines, blah, blah, blah, but then the last thing that goes through my mind is like just kind of be very, like there's a table there, there's a rug here.

Like, feel, like just kind of try to like ground myself in the current moment.

Okay.

Kind of amazing.

There's a very graphic, extremely bloody scene in the film that involves a head being smashed.

So in the director's cut, after the head is smashed...

That character is still alive for a little while.

And she makes some gurgling sounds.

Oh, God.

It's horrific.

Yeah, with

[laughs]

Like, that wouldn't be fun.

Um, so but, you know, so after that, I kinda realized, I'm like, I'm watching that clip and I'm like, "Well, no, uh, he, he's the, he's the villain." I think that I just, um, I didn't wanna judge him while I was playing him because I'm sitting there trying to literally justify everything that he's doing, and the way that that kinda looked was, in my opinion, Bear kinda has this tunnel vision.

And all he sees is what he wants, which is this girl, because he thinks that she, uh, the idea of her is gonna fix all the problems in his life or at least make it so that he doesn't have to feel all the pain.

'Cause look at the film.

He's like, he's, like, popping pills that belonged to his grandmother who recently passed away.

He's lost his pet.

Mm.

[laughs]

Like that wouldn't be fun.

Um, so but, you know, so after that I kinda realized I'm like w- I'm watching that clip and I'm like, "Well, no, uh, he, he's the, he's the villain." I think that I just, um, I didn't wanna judge him while I was playing him because I'm sitting there trying to literally justify everything that he's doing, and the way that that kinda looked was, in my opinion, Bear kinda has this tunnel vision.

And all he sees is what he wants, which is this girl, because he thinks that she, uh, the idea of her is gonna fix all the problems in his life or at least make it so that he doesn't have to feel all the pain.

'Cause look at the film, he's like, he's like popping pills that belonged to his grandmother who recently passed away.

He's lost his pet.

He's very lonely.

Hmm.

What

do you think of this debate? I love the debate.

I love the arguments.

Now, I've just gone out to a cafe and sat down and the people next to me are arguing.

Totally.

It's crazy.

But, you know, I think that was the idea.

credit card.

That's crazy

... friends of mine had the audition, and, um, I, I heard about it and was like, "I wanna read for this." And I finally just got set up with a meeting sh- with Curry, and, um, we just kinda hit it off, and I'm like, "Okay.

Well, I've prepared a scene.

Let me do it." And he's like, "No, no, no, you're good.

Like, just come in for the chem read, like, the chemistry read with, um, with Indy." And so I just kinda went in.

And then we went in and did the chemistry read, and it was just magical.

And then I didn't hear anything for a while.

He, he, he can't actually, and he's, he should try to throw this up.

Mm.

I mean, I, I'm a scientist by training, but I've, I also love history and I, I'm an amateur historian, as it were.

I read, I read a lot of history.

But I, I learned about what science really is by studying its history, right? And the more you, you study the origins of something, the better you understand the thing.

The same goes for, for just about anything.

You, you can study the history of literature.

You can study the history of politics.

Hmm.

Welcome back, Michael.

Thank you, Heather.

Nice to be here.

Yeah, it's good to chat to you.

Talk to me, explain your thinking on this to me.

Well, it's been proposed already by the ministry that the new qualification for secondary school students that will replace NCEA from 2029 include what they're calling industry led subjects.

That means, you know, in more common language, vocational education.

And so these subjects would be offered within schools rather than offered within industry and cross-credited back to school?

Talk to me, explain your thinking on this to me.

Well, it's been proposed already by the ministry that the new qualification for secondary school students that will replace NCEA from 2029 include what they're calling industry led subjects.

That means, you know, in more common language, vocational education.

So it could be electric engineering.

It could be mechanical engineering.

It could be construction, animal husbandry, these kinds of things that lead to apprenticeships and other kinds of industry training.

So the idea is to redress the balance between what we might call academic learning or focused learning that's focused on going to university and learning that's focused on the trades and industry.

I mean, so this is basically going back to woodwork classes, yeah?