Mm-hmm

... operating in the black, right? You're not burning cash, but you're tripling up revenue every year.

You know, okay, you're in a really good spot at that point.

Um, you could look for some, some venture capital space.

You could also go out and just look for a, a, a network of high net worth individuals, right? That dependent upon, uh, where, where in the world you are.

You know, usually one of your brokers can get you, uh, put in contact with some of their higher net worth clients that do like-

Yeah, yeah.

"So that's, that, that's where we are." And being able to combine that kinda straight talk with firm boundaries I think is, I think it's important.

Michael, what advice would you give to a first-time founder suddenly managing a team of 50 after being used to a team of five?

Oh, wow.

Okay.

So do the be- if, if they've brought on some external shareholders, right? And hopefully if they've expanded that quickly, they have.

Try to be very selective in the shareholders that you're bringing on board.

Try to find some folks that have been there before, because going from a team of five to a team of 50 after some external investment is a, is a massive, it's a massive change.

Probably can't overstate how massive of a change it is.

Yeah.

Because they're slowly replacing with SBG magazine stuff as well.

Yeah, exactly.

And it says earlier, it's just trying to make something new.

Probably the big new one this year is actually done by...

I don't know, my mind's gone blank.

Is it Ashley? Ashley Fish, yes.

He's done Shelob's Lair.

But what are we this year? Well...