Wow.

Yeah.

I'll take you back to grad school.

So there I am, this kind of scruffy uber geek.

I mean, you see geeks portrayed in the movies.

I was that.

And I had my own lab.

As a scientist, as someone who's dedicated their life to physics and math and astronomy, what would be a helpful cracking of the dam conversation, if my friend here is listening, that would allow them the bandwidth to even start to have that conversation?

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Science has made it easier for me to believe in God, not harder.

Let's start with Michael's story.

I'm Dr. Michael Guillen.

I had this dream of becoming a scientist, and that dream took me from the Mexican barrio of East LA to UCLA and then Cornell, where I earned a PhD in physics, math, and astronomy, and then I was fortunate enough to go from there.

to Harvard, where I taught physics for about eight years.

And in between, I became the science editor for ABC News, and I traveled the world covering all the major science stories for 14 years.

So it's been quite a life.

Tell us your original, where were you born? Where did you grow up? And tell us some of those stories.

Yeah, more like a wooden spoon, maybe.

I don't know.

Certainly wasn't silver or gold.

That's for sure.

No, look.

I was born in East Los Angeles, so right off the bat, I'm born on the wrong side of the tracks in L.A., right? Right in the middle of the Mexican body.

That's a big skill.

Yeah.

You know, if you reverse the...

If, if you reverse the, uh, uh, the videotape of an explosion, you'll see that it begins with some kind of a bomb.

And so that came to be called the Big Bang Theory.

So Fred Hoyle, when he was being interviewed on the radio, referred to this, uh, so- so-called, uh, i- initial moment of the universe, the Big Bang Theory.

He was saying it sarcastically.

He goes, "Yeah, there was a, like a big bang that started the universe." Well, that was the start of the, of, of science's migraine headache because they had to scramble all of a sudden [laughs] to explain, well, what triggered the Big Bang? I mean, what triggered everything? And do you know that to this day, like almost 100 years later...

Yes.

Any door, the right support.

But I had met him at Harvard when I was teaching at Harvard.

I taught physics at Harvard for like eight years.

And during that time, Stephen came to our campus and was there for about like a week.

And he gave a series of seminars.

The place was packed every time.

And I got to know him.

That's

Once you start with a understanding that there is a designer, that there is intelligence behind all this, then you can really see how it fits together and you can see that better.

Yeah, and you've said so many things in just that one little bit, I don't even know how to reply, except let me, and we can pursue it even more, because yeah, your remarks just now are just rich with meaning, rich with depth.

And so let me begin by saying yes.

When I fell madly in love with science, I was, what, like a seven-year-old kid.

And I just thought to myself naively that to be a scientist, you had to take a very pragmatic view of things.

And so I adopted for myself this motto, seeing is believing.

It just seemed like the most reasonable thing for a would-be scientist to believe.

That's

Once you start with a understanding that there is a designer, that there's intelligence behind all this, then you can really see how it fits together and you can see that better.

Yeah, and you've said so many things in just that one little bit, I don't even know how to reply, except let me, and we can pursue it even more, because yeah, your remarks just now are just rich with meaning, rich with depth.

And so let me begin by saying yes.

When I fell madly in love with science, I was what, like a seven-year-old kid.

And I just thought to myself naively that to be a scientist, you had to take a very pragmatic view of things.

And so I adopted for myself this motto, seeing is believing.

It just seemed like the most reasonable thing for a would-be scientist to believe.

That's

Is that not true?

Yeah, I've seen those signs.

It is interesting.

It's like in this house, we believe in science.

Well, who doesn't believe in science? I mean, science exists.

The question is, how much confidence do you have in what science is saying? And I think more to the point, Caleb, and I think this is the point you're driving at is and this for me was part of my awakening.

I don't even know where to begin, but let me let me begin this way.

And I'd love for you to break this down for the audience to understand, because this was really kind of the crux of your journey here was realizing that for science, the vast majority of matter or maybe I'm not saying that the best way, but it is actually invisible.

Explain to us what the quantum vacuum is.

I will.

But before I do that, I need to set the stage, right? For the longest time, really, since Aristotle.

And Aristotle is kind of the grandfather of modern science.

Isaac Newton is the father of modern science, the modern scientific method, or the classical scientific method.

And then you have Einstein, who's the father of modern scientific method.

So there's been really three stages that science has gone through.

How is science becoming more supernatural and sacred to us?

I don't think most people who consider themselves a devout atheist even know that that book exists.

I know.

It's a very famous book among about 70 per- 17% of atheists.

But yeah, it's The Little Book of Atheist Spirituality, and it's a, a best seller among, you know, that crowd.

It, it ...

But you're, you're right, I'm glad you picked, you picked up on that.

I do think it's a crisis of faith.

Mm-hmm.