Michael Ginsberg

... metaphor are always, like, good for that kinda thing.

thing.A- yeah, a- and in Ginsberg's case there's like, you know, two things going on.

One is like the sort of, I think, more obvious h- um, Holocaust metaphor or a Jewish diaspora metaphor where he's, you know, talking about, um, his people being, you know, uh, "Don't worry, we're not gonna, we're not gonna try to take over the world," kind of reminiscent of like antisemitic tropes or whatever.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I really appreciate being on.

Um, so Michael Ginsberg, I'm president of the North American arm of Tokamak Energy.

Been with the company just under three years, and my background is in energy, all sorts of energy.

So started out developing solar, then moved to batteries and microgrids, um, then hydrogen, clean hydrogen electrolysis, and now into fusion, uh, and superconductivity.

We will also be delving deeper into the insights and the implications of these findings with a full-fledged podcast in the next few weeks.

Lastly, before I disappear, as this study keeps referring to the policy and regulatory factors, wanted to remind you to check out our episode five of our podcast, Rack and Regulation, where Vaira Shah, one of our other co-hosts, engages with the two experts, Carl Robago and Dr. Michael Ginsberg, to try and make sense of the policy actions of some of the states with respect to the data centers.

Until the next time, this is Steve signing off.

Take care and goodbye.