Michael E. Soulé

So, uh, a lot of the Western conservation movement, uh, kind of started after books like "The Population Bomb," uh, by Paul Ehrlich and "Silent Spring" by Rachel Carson, where there is a kind of, it is definitely a philosophical kind of perspective as well, that, you know, we are losing things, uh, and things are being destroyed.

And then conservation science, uh, you know, maybe traces to 19, uh, you know, like '80s, you know, something like that, uh, with people like Michael Soulé and others who talk about, you know, minimum viable population size, and then the whole IUCN, uh, et cetera, starts, uh, and CITES and so on.

But basically, mmm, I wouldn't say that it is economic.

In fact, maybe more today, uh, it's linked to climate, right, and climate resilience.

So conservation biology, the word conservation or, means to conserve what there is, but conservation biology is to integrate all other disciplines to have a more holistic view.

That's when it was coined in the 1960s by Michael Soulé from, from California.

So conservation, then there's, uh, now that we have restoration.

Uh, restoration is to restore, no?