Michael E. Mann

You sound good.

Seriously, though, I wonder sometimes about you and some of my other coterie of people like Dr. Michael Mann and others.

I say the gang that knew too much, not arrogantly.

It's just like we kind of read or you cracked the code, I think, just with the great common sense and intellect.

Most people have no idea what's going on by design.

And I feel like these same people, when I talk about destroying the country, they're also destroying our livable world and the environment, and we're seeing it now.

I've been having the greatest climate scientists on for over 10 years, Katherine Hale, Dr. Katherine Hale, Dr. Michael Mann, Roger Hallam, who founded Extinction Rebellion.

There's recently a report, I think, in the UK that...

We've got Dr. Takora Jones, who is the chief scientist at NRDC.

We have Michael Mann, who recently published a book called Science Under Siege.

So, you know, really, really aligned and excited to have that conversation tomorrow afternoon.

And then I'm also on a panel with the NRDC folks talking about sort of reimagining science in a post-Trump world and like, how do we make science and the scientific ecosystem better? Because we're not going back to prehistory.

It's considered the godfather of the skeptic movement from a science and statistical point of view.

And he basically ended up starting it to debunk the absolutely absurd statistical manipulations of Michael Mann.

And that was the primary focus of it.

But it branched out generally into paleoclimatology and other things.

um since then a whole white you know subsequently a huge white wash of of faux investigations surrounded it where basically everybody was uh you know looking in the bedroom for the instead of the fire in the kitchen and therefore they exonerated Mann and others, where Mann had even sent emails telling other people to delete other emails, and they still managed to exonerate Mann.

The whitewash on this stuff, I know she's shaking your head.

Michael Mann is a horrible, horrible person.

I know very well.

John Elkington's Green Swans.

classic would always recommend that one one that had a profound effect on me was Michael Mann's The New Climate War that really kind of struck a number of chords with me so all of those I think are worth it but if I had to do one it would be the my old perennial favorite of How Bad Are Bananas by Mike Berners-Lee

Wonderful.

I did know that you were very fond of that book.

... still doing his bit.

So let's end this section with this pose from Professor Michael E. Mann.

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it." And that is a quote by Upton Sinclair, and maybe one that Scott Bessent should look up.

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