But what were you like as a kid? Were you always into cycling? I know that you wanted to be a pro at one point.

Yeah, no, no, not really.

I mean, it's interesting.

I mean, I'm sort of casting my mind back now.

And prior to this interview, I was thinking, wow, there's a lot of things I did a long time ago.

And it's chapters go by and you think, well, is that still relevant? But actually, the more you understand and the more people you meet, it sort of...

It's had an impact on people, which is good.

Sorry, just to...