Michael Chabon

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... is a, is, that, the, in Wonder Boys, um, by Michael Chabon, Toby Maguire makes up a story about his mom working at a mannequin factory.

Oh, interesting.

And I was like, "Is that a Steinbeck reference, or is that what you pull?" But that was real.

I do wanna...

There's this really beautiful, um, quote from Michael Chabon, who was the showrunner of Star Trek: Picard seasons one and two, that I just, I found that I wanted to note.

He said, "By addressing the questions of Spock's sexuality and the nature of desire in a culture that eschews emotion, it makes the classic fan fiction gesture: to find a hole in the quilt of canon and patch it.

Look at the earliest Trek fanzines like Spockanalia, the first issue of which came out right when Amok Time aired.

I love it.

I mean, my my two favorite writers are Elmore Leonard and boy, and I just reread Cavalier and Clay, Michael Chabon.

So like you're talking about, Michael Chabon can use the biggest, most flowery language in the world.

But it always feels authentic.

Elmore Leonard is 100 percent authenticity.

Yeah.

Do find yourself.

It sounds like I mean, now Michael Chabon is not crime fiction, but he did write the detective.

I mean, it's a year ago since I graduated, so it's, you know, it's gathering moss at this stage, but, uh, my thesis title was, um, American disillusionment.

That's American disillusionment, uh, reading artificiality and authenticity in the novels of Michael Chabon, where I looked at how popular culture was treated in those novels.

how popular culture in the novels effectively worked as characters' means to discuss politics.

Or men don't talk about their feelings, they talk about their feelings through popular culture.