Right.

And so I told them flat out, I go, "I don't care if that means me getting out of the Navy.

I don't care if that means me changing rates in the Navy.

I don't care.

Whatever it means, we'll figure it out from there." Um, finally got them to actually listen to me that I wasn't okay, so they got me some little bit of therapy help there, and then started figuring out what to do next.

Um, during that timeframe, waiting for all that to work out, at the time I was already E6 First Class, at the time, so going home wasn't thrilling and changing jobs isn't thrilling.

Um, so I actually ended up go- almost going home.

So your getting involved was?

How did you start to connect your experiences and UFOs and extraterrestrials in general to scripture and biblical stories?

Well, um, as I mentioned at the beginning, I...

You know, uh, w- when the student is ready, the teacher appears.

And so I read voraciously, and I tried to read everything I could on the topic.

And on, in my search, I wound up running across a book by Dr. Barry Downing, who wrote a book back in 1968, The Bible And Flying Saucers.

Not an experiencer, a Rhode scholar.

He's retired now.

No, you're good.

Can you explain that to us?

Well, I like the hospitality.

I'ma say that.

I like the way y'all treating us here.

You feel me? I'm a top prospect for a reason, but the way y'all treating us, I definitely applaud you for it.

... oh, this is the first time?

Nope.

Nope, nope.

And for larger enterprises with multiple departments, it could stretch to several months in order to nail down and complete the process properly.

wow that's um super interesting but wait isn't there a risk of like a project dragging on for way too long what if during that time the market changes completely sigh

The real timelines depend on detailed planning, data preparation, integrations, and employee training.

Hmm, so it's like cleaning out your attic before moving into a new house.

You have to sort through all that old stuff.

I mean, what if you find, I don't know, childhood journals? Or like, weird trophies? Laughs.

Can you kind of tell us when that transition happened? Was there something, like, in particular that made you realize it could re- you could really make an impact in that field?

Exactly.

Like it's...

And, uh, I spent, well, sort of the first ten years of my, of my, uh, uh, academic career working on scheduling problems with, uh, with companies, you know, looking at, uh, process optimization, operations research applications.

And then, uh, in around 1985, um, I, I got, uh, hired to do a small consulting project with one of the hospitals in Toronto, and the problem they had was that nurses in Ontario at that time, the standard workday was eight and a half hours, and the reason it was eight and a half hours is there was a half an hour for, um, for turnover, for handoff.

You know, the, the nurse from the previous shift could talk to the nurse coming on, and they spent a half an hour talking about patients.

And in 1985, the nursing union in Ontario, um, they changed the...

Mm-hmm.

How, how was that experience-- How has that experience prepared you to do it again?

To take lessons in stride.

You know, instead of...

The, the most valuable thing I took from that is, you know, naturally, you know, when you invest in yourself like that and you spend, you know, a good chunk of money in it, it's what people deem as failure, um, you know? It didn't actually get up off the ground.

The most valuable thing I took from that is, you know, trying to understand that there's a lot more that I need to know.

Um, when you think you're ready, it's kinda like parenting, right? Uh, you can learn as much as, as you want, read as many books as you can, but ultimately, sometimes you just gotta jump and go figure it out.

So after that first one, it really kinda woke me up to say, "Hey, there's so much that I don't understand about this industry.

Again, what motivates that? Where, where does that come from?

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You know, h- you know, he looked at me, I looked at him, and he was maybe three feet.

I was...

He was small, and looked like he needed a good meal, looking back.And, uh, and I got in the fetal position.

I was so scared, and I pulled the covers up over my head.

I am not a macho man, okay? And 'cause I know my friends will say, "Well, did you ask him anything? Did you talk to him?" You don't think about that.

You're like, "What? WTF," right? "What is going on?" And so I felt like I was outside.

You s-

Mm-hmm.

And so I just kinda took it and ran with it, and I wrote a couple books.

Um, and um, unfortunately, the church is not talking about this.

The Catholic Church in behind closed doors, and they'll throw us a bone every now and then.

But, but mostly, no, not at all.

We just last week in here in the States there was a, um... [lips smack] You know, they, they, they, they backtracked a little bit and pulled back.

But allegedly, uh, there was a meeting, a briefing with these intelligence agencies, uh, with some ministers, but the ministers were all male.

Mm-hmm

So what are some of your favorite scriptures that talk about this?

Okay, first of all, let me go into why I say that I think the God that we have come to worship is an extraterrestrial.

And that'll be a good start.

Let me start off with this.

In the book of Isaiah, okay, in the book of Isaiah in chapter 40, verse 22, this is what is written.

It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, who stretches out the heavens like a curtain and spreads them like a tent to dwell in.

I was taught that people thought that the world was flat until Columbus.

back of our necks right now.