Michael Caine

Now, whether that's the price of progress is, I suppose, depending how you look at this.

But Michael Caine is the National Secretary for the Transport Workers Union.

They've been speaking to movers and shakers, I think, in Canberra today about this as part of a broader AI inquiry.

And he's with me on the line.

All

the best, bye.

Michael Caine, the TWU National Secretary.

I mean, I think he puts up a good argument, but whether it's going to stand the test of time, I don't know.