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Oct 14, 2026

JoshHOST
14:24
So this collides head on with child care.
JoshHOST
14:29
One of the things that broke the story really nationwide was the McMartin preschool case in California.
JoshHOST
14:34
It was one of the highest profile examples of this, and it was based around the daycare abuse hysteria.
JoshHOST
14:41
That's what I'm looking at right now.
JoeHOST
17:24
Queen.
JoshHOST
17:25
Yeah.
JoshHOST
17:26
McMartin case wasn't isolated.
JoshHOST
17:27
There were accusations that spread to over 100 daycares across the country.
Lucien GreavesHOST
59:50
To me, she was the one who propagated some of these notions.
Lucien GreavesHOST
59:54
She bankrolled the digging up of the alleged tunnels at the McMartin preschool.
Lucien GreavesHOST
60:01
She paid this archaeologist from UCLA, Gary Stickle, and he went and he dug up the grounds underneath the McMartin preschool where there were supposedly tunnels big enough for them to be sacrificing giraffes and elephants and things like that.
Lucien GreavesHOST
60:20
Eventually, They settled on this notion that they had dug up these tunnels, which were, you know, again, we're getting back to Ted Gunderson because he helped Stickle lead this this supposed digging up of these tunnels.
Lucien GreavesHOST
60:36
And, you know, what he did was he dug out these tunnels and then claimed that they were preexisting and that they were able to tell from the difference of the soil or something like that.
Lucien GreavesHOST
60:56
And this is by Gunderson's own description.
Lucien GreavesHOST
60:58
So Gunderson apparently beat him into submission to say like, oh yeah, there were clearly pre-existing tunnels and then they were filled in.
Lucien GreavesHOST
61:08
And then there was only a little bit of truth to that, which it turns out, that the McMartin Preschool was on a plot of ground that existed, and it's wherever it was, whatever beach in California.
Adam SayneGUEST
62:25
Right? That's how, that's how it goes.
Steve StocktonHOST
62:27
And you know, the, the, the characters, the cartoon characters and stuff, then that ties back to the Satanic Panic, McMartin Preschool, and a lot of those kids telling that they, you know, went in a tunnel, and they came up in another place, and Mickey Mouse and Chuck Norris were there.
Steve StocktonHOST
62:41
You know, and, and stuff like that.
Adam SayneGUEST
62:42
Uh-huh.
Trevor McDonaldNARRATOR
66:31
He still sought something that might make him significant.
Trevor McDonaldNARRATOR
66:35
Richard Ramirez had perceived in the culture around him, he was not far from where teachers had been arrested in 1983 at the McMartin Preschool and accused as a ring of Satanists corrupting children, that people were afraid of Satan, and to him, that probably meant that aligning himself with the Prince of Darkness would uniquely empower him.
Trevor McDonaldNARRATOR
66:55
People would actually fear him.
Trevor McDonaldNARRATOR
66:58
So he cultivated Satanism's trappings that were popular during the 1970s and 80s.
Dan St. GermainGUEST
50:45
Yeah, I think that, that...
Dan St. GermainGUEST
50:46
You know, because, uh, it, it seems as though, and I'm, uh, people will argue with me on this, but the McMartin preschool thing was bullshit.
Mark GagnonHOST
50:53
Mm-hmm.
Dan St. GermainGUEST
50:53
And there wasn't...
Dan St. GermainGUEST
51:00
And there's- I don't think there's even strong enough evidence to say there was sexual impropriety.
Dan St. GermainGUEST
51:04
But Presidio daycare, you know, the kids did get chlamydia.
Dan St. GermainGUEST
51:07
So, but, but because McMartin becomes the most famous one, that's, everything becomes McMartin.
Dan St. GermainGUEST
51:12
Or they, like, promote the Paradise Lost kids, so everything becomes that, you know?
Jacob JohnsonHOST
103:10
But, uh, once again, you're welcome.
Jacob JohnsonHOST
103:13
Um, I think McMartin right after is when satanic panic was used.
Jacob JohnsonHOST
103:19
That's how, uh, I remember first hearing about it.
Jacob JohnsonHOST
103:22
Yeah, so McMartin was, was like the nationalization.
Jacob JohnsonHOST
103:28
It was the, um- The McMartin case was, was the case that was used to turn the, the phrase Satanic Panic into a, uh, household name, if that makes sense.
Jacob JohnsonHOST
103:50
Um, but I mean, if you look, if you look for them, um, I mean, I have tons of newspapers from all over the country, uh, regarding the term Satanic Panic.
Jacob JohnsonHOST
104:04
Um, and I mean, you can f- you can find it used all over the place.
Jacob JohnsonHOST
104:11
So, but yeah, Mc- you are right on that.
GoelGUEST
63:42
A lot of the things that are held up as proof of that satanic panic, of that concept, which is used to debunk ritual abuse, or RA, I'm sorry, these things are held up time and time again as proof of a satanic panic.
GoelGUEST
64:03
The McMartin preschool scandal comes to mind.
GoelGUEST
64:08
It turns out that years after the McMartin Preschool Candle was debunked as, quote-unquote, debunked as part of the Satanic Panic, excavations were done by credible academics, that is, archaeologists, university-employed, and they found that there were underground excavations chambers beneath the McMartin Preschool that had been filled in.
GoelGUEST
64:37
In total, what those children alleged was substantiated by the excavation.
GoelGUEST
64:50
they found exactly what those children said they would find.
GoelGUEST
64:54
And yet the people who those children alleged essayed them were exonerated the mainstream media.
GoelGUEST
65:04
And it wasn't just that they were molested underneath the McMartin preschool.
GoelGUEST
65:07
They were alleging that they were essayed by a wider ring in various other homes and structures around the area.
Brandon MorganHOST
7:41
Its claims would later be heavily challenged, but the book became enormously influential.
Brandon MorganHOST
7:46
Soon came allegations involving daycare centers, most famously the McMartin Preschool case here in California, where increasingly fantastic accusations included secret tunnels, ritual ceremonies, and organized abuse of children.
Brandon MorganHOST
8:01
Similar claims spread across the country.
Brandon MorganHOST
8:03
Television poured gasoline on the fire.
Hannah FryHOST
13:53
So part of the reason why this started was that there was a preschool case.
Hannah FryHOST
13:57
So this is, uh, McMartin Preschool.
Hannah FryHOST
14:00
It's in Manhattan Beach, and, uh, it was this, you know, family-owned preschool.
Hannah FryHOST
14:06
There's this little two-year-old boy who was attending that preschool in 1983, and one day he came home, and he had, like, he had a bit of a sore bum, basically, and the mum was like, "What on earth is going on here?" And, uh, he said that the, the, the, the male provider of the nursing home had taken his temperature by rectally, right, by using a-
Jesse WalkerGUEST
9:46
Ev-ev- The best example in recent history was in the 1980s when it was widely believed that this vast network of Satanic cults was infiltrating daycare centers and-
Jerry O'SheaHOST
9:57
McMartin preschool
Jesse WalkerGUEST
9:57
... molesting kids.
Jerry O'SheaHOST
9:58
Yeah.
Jesse WalkerGUEST
10:02
But at the time, not many people were calling that a conspiracy theory.
Jesse WalkerGUEST
10:06
But when "20/20" did a really credulous story on it, they didn't use that phrase.
Jesse WalkerGUEST
10:11
Certainly no prosecutor speaking to a jury in the McMartin case used that phrase.
Jesse WalkerGUEST
10:15
Looking back now, of course, ev- it's obviously a conspiracy theory.

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