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But for me, it was something very specific about the interfacing That was another factor basically.

And I was very interested and I started to think, okay, so if that's the case, like what if I create my own instrument? At that time, I didn't know anything about Pure Data or Max MSP, or even if it was like available, I didn't have the resources to build or make my own instrument.

But through like a particular accident, I realized that with feedback, actually what happened is that One day I was recording a saxophone part and I didn't have a microphone stand.

Yeah, like I'm in my early twenties.

I studied computer music research and contemporary music so programming applications came out of some creative necessity for me.

I wanted to realize some ideas so and like 25 years ago I maybe yeah almost 30 years ago I studied started studying C sound and then during my PhD studies Max MSP and then later the C++ frameworks became popular I started to learn C++ and realized my first application, which is Cosmos F Saturn, which you can see here.

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your screen.

So at that moment, carefully step by step, I do this process, I check this process.

But I don't directly start coding without validating the idea as a prototype.

Before the AI, I was using, for example, Max to quickly check the idea to Max MSP.

It's a patching environment, so that would give me some confidence in moving on because when you start in juice hearing the sound the first sound with interacting with the sliders then it might take quite a long time so and then you don't want to be disappointed at that level and so prototyping is very important in that sense but with the AI now things are definitely changing but this is how I work I mean first I have to prototype things and this SSNN was prototyped on Unity I mean by me and actually I could find a Python framework which was doing already the spiking neural network stuff but I needed to write it again this framework I mean to this creating a network which spikes by myself and then check things and be sure I'm in control of everything so later I lost control of the code when I passed the task to the AI, of course, the agents.

I think I used to be, I mean, there was never like a lot of technology, but everything was, I messed around with Ableton for a long time.

I was messing around with Max MSP.

I would like really nerd out and trying to like build synthesis and stuff there.

Um, I'd always built, I would use iPads and like make demos on an iPad, um, just in garage band, but those were always really great tools for me.

So, um, I actually haven't seen a draft yet, so I'm, I'm excited to see what it, it turns out to, to sound like.

Um, but it's gonna be with a Max MSP patch.

Mm-hmm.

Um, and I'll be controlling effects with the pedals, so I'll be switching, um, different sets and different effects as he writes them for the, for the piece.