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Max Haiven

Musical artist

Sep 28, 2026

20:13
Could you explain what you mean by that and why the distinction does matter?
20:18
Yeah, of course.
20:21
I borrow this term derivative fascism from the German professor and artist and lecturer Hito Sterl, who presents it in a book several years ago, but doesn't quite develop the concept as far as I think it can be taken.
20:37
I think there's a few things to say here.
20:38
The word derivative at first connotes something that is insufficiently original.
20:45
Like if you speak about an artwork as being derivative, it means it's too much indebted or too imitative of another artwork.
20:53
It's usually a kind of an art world slur to say that something is not good, essentially.

24 MINS LATER

45:12
What would an anti-fascist game look like and how do we start playing it? Maybe without the right arm?
20:59
Could you explain what you mean by that and why the distinction does matter?
21:04
Yeah, of course.
21:07
I borrow this term derivative fascism from the German professor and artist and lecturer Hito Sterl, who presents it in a book several years ago, but doesn't quite develop the concept as far as I think it can be taken.
21:22
I think there's a few things to say here.
21:24
The word derivative at first connotes something that is insufficiently original.
21:31
Like if you speak about an artwork as being derivative, it means it's too much indebted or too imitative of another artwork.
21:38
It's usually a kind of art world slur to say that something is not good, essentially, and particularly not only not good, but not modern, that it's somehow not sufficiently contemporary.

25 MINS LATER

47:14
What would an anti-fascist game look like and how do we start playing it? Maybe without the right arm?
14:12
So what exactly do you mean by Plagrom and how does it differ from earlier forms of political violence?
14:21
Yeah, this is, I think, one of the more controversial and emotionally difficult parts of my book, coining this phrase, playground, which, of course, is a portmanteau word that I've created, the play and pogrom.
14:35
And I guess maybe two things I would say before I define that term in detail.
14:39
The first is that I obviously take pogroms very seriously.
14:45
Real pogroms are happening all the time in our present moment.
14:48
They're getting worse.
14:50
You know, it's part of my own family history.

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47:20
With that said, I think that there
20:50
Could you explain what you mean by that and why the distinction does matter?
20:55
Yeah, of course.
20:58
I borrow this term derivative fascism from the German professor and artist and lecturer Hito Sterl, who presents it in a book several years ago, but doesn't quite develop the concept as far as I think it can be taken.
21:13
I think there's a few things to say here.
21:15
The word derivative at first connotes something that is insufficiently original.
21:22
Like if you speak about an artwork as being derivative, it means it's too much indebted or too imitative of another artwork.
21:29
It's usually a kind of an art world slur to say that something is not good, essentially.

25 MINS LATER

46:08
What would an anti-fascist game look like and how do we start playing it? Maybe without the right arm?
22:12
Could you explain what you mean by that and why the distinction does matter?
22:17
Yeah.
22:18
Of course.
22:19
Um, I borrow this term derivative fascism from the, uh, German professor and artist and lecturer, Hito Steyerl, uh, who presents it in a book several years ago, but doesn't quite develop the concept, uh, as far as I think it can be taken.
22:35
I think there's a few things to say here.
22:37
The word derivative, um, at first connotes something that is insufficiently original.
22:44
Like if you speak about an artwork as being derivative, it means it's too much indebted or too imitative of another artwork.

25 MINS LATER

47:31
What would an anti-fascist game look like and how do we start playing it maybe without the right arm?

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