I mean, all the data shows that's just not true, right? But how things develop their own momentum on social media, how, how can that be challenged?

Well, first of all, when I go back to your original question, you actually answered it in your question, and that is, you have to carry on.

When there are moments like this where what you fundamentally agree with or, or adhere to is threatened, you have got to carry on.

This is a moment when you have to sharpen your spears and be ready for the eventual shift in the pendulum, which I think will happen.

So this is not a time to retreat.

Frankly, this is a time to do the research, to get the data, to build the argument here, to create the advocacy platforms, to create the communities around these issues.

This is not the time to retreat.

What should we be doing that we're not? Not just you guys, 'cause you are doing a lot, but the rest of us, if we're being a bit too timid, what should we be saying to our husbands, brothers, sons, uncles, and also women, of course, who may have different views?