Matthew Williams

I'm not trying to take anything away from this, but didn't you work with

virgil too i did i did the team of people that kanye had around him at that time was just almost like a pod um it was me virgil uh willow perrone and um matthew williams that was the core group at that time and uh i mean matthew was my assistant at that point but we were doing something special like it

felt like you know we were all

workaholics so we had that little chemistry um and we it was just a factory it was very cool

And then the Givenchy thing was a huge project.

That was In two 2022, where I worked with Matthew Williams, and we did the whole fall, winter.

It was a very colorful, like not very Givenchy style really.

It was kind of a mix.

You know, following up these glory days of Ricardo Tichy and then this much more classic Parisian wardrobe vision, more elegant under Claire Wade Keller.

And then the brand had kind of ping-ponged back to something more hard-edged, pop, industrial, a bit more streetwear-influenced with Matthew Williams.

So all of this change has created a lot of confusion there.

And then she herself also, you know, she had... been the number two and right hand of Alexander McQueen for almost all of her career and then took over the brand after Lee McQueen passed away in 2010.