Matthew Croke

So yeah, mate, he's phenomenal.

I know there's been a lot of chatting and you fold around, you know, Matt Croke being the 13 and he had a great year, but, um, you know, we've had some issues in the middle.

So I think if, you know, maybe that pushes a croaks to the bench and, and we've got another front row there off the bench, or maybe he starts prop.

And I just think the impact that Francis may, she can't not have him there.

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Yeah.

And I guess, Matt, where I want to go with it is that if you...

I guess I think from the standpoint of like when people say...

when they think of entrepreneurship, starting a business, business owner, running your own, you're on your own clock, your own schedule, you know, like all that stuff is great, right? And it's really kind of portrayed in such like a positive, awesome...

And I got to come in and basically not just...

Not sure that, but I've got to carry out the day as if it's a normal day.

And how are you doing, Matt? And how are you doing, Jane? And it's challenging.

And it's funny because I can remember three specific examples, not stories, but I can remember people, employees actually saying to me, Hey, Brad, how are you doing today? Because no one asks you

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And yeah, I get a lot of thoughts on meetings.

Well, I mean, so, I mean, I think from the standpoint of, I mean, so Matt, you, I mean, you're sitting, I mean, you've been in meetings before.

Have you sat in meetings? Do you find when you walk out of the meeting, at the end of the meeting, whether it's half an hour, do you feel like, hey, that was really worthwhile.

I'm glad we went through that.

I mean, you obviously have talked through it.

You're not throwing Brian to the wolves.

Right, like Matt does to us.

Matt's like, I got