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Massachusetts v. EPA

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Oct 5, 2026

Amy Coney BarrettGUEST
38:29
And in the absence of congressional statute, federal common law is what governed.
Amy Coney BarrettGUEST
38:37
But now we have the Clean Air Act, and Massachusetts v. EPA interpreted 7411 to say that the EPA is the one that has the authority to regulate greenhouse gas emissions.
Amy Coney BarrettGUEST
38:48
So to the extent there is a national rule, Congress has given it to the EPA to set it.
Amy Coney BarrettGUEST
38:54
Now, I think where I would quibble with you is about where the state law comes in.
Amy Coney BarrettPANELIST
38:29
And in the absence of congressional statute— Federal common law is what governed.
Amy Coney BarrettPANELIST
38:37
But now we have the Clean Air Act and Massachusetts v. EPA interpreted 7411 to say that the EPA is the one that has the authority to regulate greenhouse gas emissions.
Amy Coney BarrettPANELIST
38:48
So to the extent there is a national rule, Congress has given it to the EPA to set it.
Amy Coney BarrettPANELIST
38:54
Now, I think where I would quibble with you is about where the state law comes in.
Alicia FinleyGUEST
7:34
And the Trump administration is essentially arguing as much in a couple of other cases.
Alicia FinleyGUEST
7:39
So that's why I think ruling purely based on the AEP precedent would open up a can of worms and would be a little problematic, especially if the Supreme Court takes up another case in a couple of years to revisit Massachusetts v. EPA.
Alicia FinleyGUEST
7:54
Now, you raise another avenue that they could go, and I think this is probably the more compelling argument, is that the framers of the Constitution devised it such that one state could not control activity outside of its borders or that wholly occurs outside of its borders.
Alicia FinleyGUEST
8:12
And that is essentially what Boulder County and other states and localities that are suing these companies are trying to do.
Kendall NelsonHOST
43:00
What was that?
Gregory WrightstoneGUEST
43:01
Yeah, it was called the – in 2008, the Obama EPA – well, actually, the Supreme Court said in the Massachusetts v. EPA ruling that CO2 could be listed as a pollutant.
Gregory WrightstoneGUEST
43:15
And the next year, 2009, the Obama EPA started that process.
Gregory WrightstoneGUEST
43:20
They said, well, CO2 is a pollutant, and we're going to regulate it, and might have they.
Kendall NelsonHOST
43:00
What was that?
Gregory WrightstoneGUEST
43:01
Yeah, it was called the – in 2008, the Obama EPA – well, actually, the Supreme Court said in the Massachusetts v. EPA ruling that CO2 could be listed as a pollutant.
Gregory WrightstoneGUEST
43:15
And the next year, 2009, the Obama EPA started that process.
Gregory WrightstoneGUEST
43:20
They said, well, CO2 is a pollutant, and we're going to regulate it, and might have they.
Lynn GoldmanGUEST
18:36
So that's a possibility that there would be a delay through that.
Lynn GoldmanGUEST
18:40
I think one thing that a lot of us are focused on is the fact that it was several years ago that the U.S. Supreme Court in Massachusetts v. EPA made a decision that, indeed, EPA is authorized to regulate greenhouse gases and needed to do so.
Lynn GoldmanGUEST
19:01
and that spurred EPA into the process of making that happen.
Lynn GoldmanGUEST
19:05
Supreme Court now, I think industry may hope, might come up with a different decision.
Gwendolyn SavitzHOST
21:46
Massachusetts sued the EPA for refusing to regulate greenhouse gases, and the standing fight was the hard part of the case.
Gwendolyn SavitzHOST
21:52
In Massachusetts v. EPA in 2007, the court said the state was entitled to what it called special solicitude in the standing analysis.
Marc RoarkHOST
21:59
So treating the state as a different kind of plaintiff than a person or a company, that seems to have real doctrinal consequences.
Gwendolyn SavitzHOST
22:07
Yes.
Marc RoarkHOST
22:21
And the doctrine has been wrestling with whether that survives.
Gwendolyn SavitzHOST
22:25
Right.
Gwendolyn SavitzHOST
22:25
Lower courts have read it narrowly, and whether special solicitude survives at full strength is contested.
Gwendolyn SavitzHOST
22:30
So between Article 3, the zone of interest, associational standing, and the special solicitude for states, the rules pull in different directions.
Ari WeitzmanHOST
25:13
In another, much more immediate way, Zeldin is wrong.
Ari WeitzmanHOST
25:16
According to Massachusetts v. EPA in 2007, greenhouse gases do fit the Clean Air Act's definition of air pollutants.
Ari WeitzmanHOST
25:24
That means the opinion of the Supreme Court is that the letter of the law here explicitly allows the EPA to regulate greenhouse gases under the Clean Air Act, thus the agency's 2009 endangerment finding.
Ari WeitzmanHOST
25:36
You may also remember that Zeldin has already rescinded the endangerment finding.
Steph TaiGUEST
8:46
So all of this is likely to be challenged in court, litigated all the way up to the Supreme Court.
Steph TaiGUEST
8:53
And the Supreme Court did say in Massachusetts v. EPA that carbon emissions can be regulated as a pollutant under the Clean Air Act.
Steph TaiGUEST
9:06
And so what it would take to sort of remove that from the authority of the federal government would have to be, I think, a revisitation of Massachusetts versus EPA by the Supreme Court.
Steph TaiGUEST
9:16
And the Supreme Court is different from the Massachusetts versus EPA review.

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