Mary Talley Bowden
Houston-based otolaryngologist and founder of BREATHEmd, known for her COVID-19 treatment advocacy, lawsuit against the FDA over ivermectin guidance, and host of "On Call with Dr. Mary Talley Bowden."
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Oct 11, 2026
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
I mean, we knew that we should always be careful during pregnancy about what we put in our body.
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
We were screaming about that when they told pregnant women to get the COVID shots.
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
And I don't think people realize this, but all pregnant women are expected to get three vaccines, four if you count COVID, which is sort of ridiculous because these vaccines have not been tested against a true placebo.
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
The acetaminophen recommendation, I mean, from what I've read, yes, there is some valid data saying that there could be a contributing factor to autism.
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Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
Um, so y- yeah, I think, and I've had a lot of the autism parents very critical of what I'm doing and saying that I'm a, a newbie and, you know.
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
But, you know, I, I have a voice, and I, I have spoken out about childhood vaccines.
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Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
Yeah, I mean, you know, Kennedy was integrated into he was the founder or the head of the board, maybe the president of Children's Health Defense for many years.
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
So, you know, I understand there's history, loyalty, that sort of thing.
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
But the gist I got from that is that if Kennedy does something about mRNA, he will get fired.
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Amanda HeadHOST
Are there other things that you feel HHS and our medical establishment is doing, especially with, uh, Secretary Kennedy? Do you feel like there are things that have been done that are improving in that area, and what's gotta be done? And are, are you a proponent for removing pharmaceutical ads from TV?
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
I mean, that's a common sense measure they could do, and we are the only country other than New Zealand in the entire world that allows pharmaceutical a- advertising.
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
But I think we need to have accountability for what happened to the pandemic first and foremost to restore trust.
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
This is an issue that directly impacted every single voter, and the administration has swept it under the rug and acted like nothing has happened.
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
Meanwhile, seven million children got an mRNA shot this year, and for what? It, there's absolutely no upside to taking one of these shots now.
Amanda HeadHOST
The Trump administration has done a lot to root out fraud in a lot of different categories, but it seems like this is an area that this really needs to be taken care of because it is quite literally life and death.
Steve GruberHOST
Is there any reason anybody would take a COVID shot at this point? Is there anybody you would advise to get the COVID jab?
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
And that amounts to about 50 million Americans and over 7 million children got a COVID shot.
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
The Medical Freedom Coalition is a little bit different than MAHA, right? Medical Freedom Coalition grew out of the pandemic.
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
power because everybody was so frustrated over COVID, an issue that directly impacted every single voter.
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Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
Uh, you know, eventually we predict that they will try to replace every conventional vaccine with mRNA.
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Andy SchmittHOST
So let's kind of discuss why did you write the first one? And then what prompted you to write this one?
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
We expected with a new administration that we would see some significant changes.
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
We expected with Kennedy becoming HHS secretary, Given his stance prior to that, that he would pull the COVID shots off the market.
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Andy SchmittHOST
So let's kind of discuss why did you write the first one? And then what prompted you to write this one?
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
We expected with a new administration that we would see some significant changes.
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
We expected with Kennedy becoming HHS secretary, Given his stance prior to that, that he would pull the COVID shots off the market.
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Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
at face value, it seems like, oh yeah, two people died of measles and how horrible and what a shame they weren't vaccinated.
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
And there are two huge political action committees that were behind all this.
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Andy SchmittHOST
But like, is that kind of the only way is just don't get the vaccine and reject all of what the huge medical pharmaceutical industry is telling you to do?
ZubyHOST
Um, but for my listeners who don't really know much about your story, I know you've told it a lot of times, but can you just give some context for what it was like for you during that time?
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
I call myself third-party free, so I don't contract with the government or hospitals or insurance companies, and the only people I work for are my patients, and that served me very well during the pandemic because I didn't have a third party telling me how I should treat patients with COVID.
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ZubyHOST
So, uh, how, how do we get through this web?
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What, what, what is so bad about just the mRNA technology? Explain to everybody if it's bad.
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
Well, it, it enters your cells, and it causes your cells to produce spike protein, which is the most toxic part of the virus.
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
Uh, it's inflammatory, it causes microclotting, uh, and there's no off switch.
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Lance MigliaccioHOST
What do you think the future looks like for, you know, broader medical freedom strategy?
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
And, you know, a small part of me was hopeful that he'd walk away in handcuffs, but alas, uh, nothing like that happened at all.
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
Uh, I know schools, there are some Ivy League schools that were mandating the booster, and perhaps that would've been different had she, uh, followed ACIP.
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Natali MorrisHOST
Um, what do you make of this statement, first of all, and then we'll sort of back up and talk about ivermectin.
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
Well, I, I do wanna mention something about the FDA and YouTube, and clearly YouTube doesn't know about our lawsuit against the FDA, 'cause the FDA is not allowed to tell patients, and they're not allowed to tell physicians, how to use medications.
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
They give indications for the medications, but there is absolutely nothing prohibiting doctors from using medications that are outside of the FDA-indicated uses.
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
And there is nothing prohibiting patients from taking medications that are outside the FDA-indicated uses.
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
So for YouTube to say that if the FDA doesn't approve it for this indication, you cannot talk about it, well, YouTube is completely misinformed on the, on the law.
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
Uh, and we actually took the FDA to court over this because n- they launched this smear campaign against ivermectin.
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Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
Yeah, it's a slow creep that just happened without anybody really realizing it happened.
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
But I think the pandemic brought some awareness to the issue because patients became very frustrated because we saw doctors who were beholden to third parties and telling them how they could treat patients during the pandemic.
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
And so I was able to treat my COVID patients the way they should be treated.
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Are there any quick fixes or any solutions that are nonpartisan that we could be pushing our elected officials to embrace to reverse this disgusting trend?
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
There's so much financial, um, incentives at stake to push these COVID shots, to push the, the medications they wanted to push.
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
You know, Biden had a c- a program called the COVID-19 Community Corps, and it was $11.5 billion doled out to over 17,000 different groups and influencers and sports organizations and churches and community leaders and to s- to spread the safe and effective narrative.
Matt KittleHOST
So why is the government stepping in and saying we can't use them? And I guess, what were the explanations to you? And what was your response to that when finally, I know you kind of put it on the What did you think when they were telling you, well, this you can't use this, this is dangerous or whatever?
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
Yeah, well, the monoclonal antibodies were more frustrating to me because at that point, once we became known in town as a place that you could get monoclonal antibodies very easily and affordably, and we didn't ration them based on your race or your comorbidities.
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
If we had them in stock, and as long as you were, I believe it was 12 or older, you could get them.
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
Demand was very high and we could initially order as many doses as we wanted and they'd be in the office the next day.
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
But then the government took over distribution and they became harder and harder to get.
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Matt KittleHOST
What was that experience like? Because it must have been extremely frustrating to say, I know what is happening here, but Nobody is listening.
Matt KittleHOST
So why is the government stepping in and saying we can't use them? And I guess, what were the explanations to you? And what was your response to that when finally, I know you kind of put it on the What did you think when they were telling you, well, this you can't use this, this is dangerous or whatever?
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
Yeah, well, the monoclonal antibodies were more frustrating to me because at that point, once we became known in town as a place that you could get monoclonal antibodies very easily and affordably, and we didn't ration them based on your race or your comorbidities.
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
If we had them in stock, and as long as you were, I believe it was 12 or older, you could get them.
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
Demand was very high and we could initially order as many doses as we wanted and they'd be in the office the next day.
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
But then the government took over distribution and they became harder and harder to get.
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Matt KittleHOST
What was that experience like? Because it must have been extremely frustrating to say, I know what is happening here, but nobody is listening.
Matt GaetzHOST
What is your reaction to this Ebola outbreak in the Democratic Republic of the Congo?
Matt GaetzHOST
What is the best way in these remote areas of Africa to have good public health, given the conditions that they're facing?
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
the hospital telling you that your pa- your loved one's gonna die if you don't let us help the...
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
And then you're hearing everything else on the outside saying, "Get your loved one out of the hospital before they kill them." Uh, and we...
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
There was one doctor in Houston who had privileges in the ICU that we could trust, and so we would have patients flown from all over the, the country to this patient, Dr. Joe...
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Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
It's like you just have to get credential to make sure you're a normal doctor.
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
And I was actually collaborating with them because I was doing so much testing.
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
... hospital telling you that your pa- "Your loved one's gonna die if you don't let us help the..." And then you're hearing everything else on the outside saying, "Get your loved one out of the hospital before they kill them." Uh, and we...
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
There was one doctor in Houston who had privileges in the ICU that we could trust, and so we would have patients flown from all over the, the country to this patient, Dr. Joe...
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
Who came up with these protocols for patients, outpatient and inpatient, that were alternative, included ivermectin.
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Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
It's like you just have to get credential to make sure you're a normal doctor.
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
And I was actually collaborating with them because I was doing so much testing.
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
And, uh, I wa- I was using this lab called MicrogenDX that does a PCR test for bacterial and fungal infections of the sinuses, which was something different that when I was in training we never had.
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
Uh, and it was more precise because you do a sinus culture, a regular culture, and it's usually not very accurate.
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
Then they came out with a PCR saliva test for COVID, and the rep's like, "Hey, you should check this out.
Mary Talley BowdenGUEST
This is really easy." And well, the next thing I know, I'm testing people for COVID using the saliva test, and my practice is purposely located in a strip mall because, yeah, I s- I spent basically five years pregnant, and every day going to my obstetrician's office would just wreck my day.
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