Mary Richards

And then I did it with Mary Ormsby once.

And that was Mary Richards.

I don't know what it was.

It just Jim and Gord.

Mary Richards is Mary Tyler Moore.

I feel like I need to reference this for younger listeners.

Okay, Gord, one of the things about, and as a former general manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs, there is, I don't want, you know, we usually we think of tradition, baseball and the stories that its history tells within the numbers.

One was, like, Mary Ormsby.

So it was, we, we called, when I filled in on that show, it was Mary Richards, who's Mary Tyler Moore from...

Anyway, maybe you had to be there.

And then when, then when Steve and I did a show, it was, what do you think it was, Ben? You want to take a guess? Simmons Richards.