Mary O'Rourke

That Gilmartin ignored, excuse me.

And when Gilmartin was then introduced to Charlie Hawhey in early 1989 at a meeting with half his cabinet present, including Bertie O'Hearn and Padraig Flynn and Ray Burke and others, Mary O'Rourke.

When he met in early February 1989, Charlie Hawkins said, you know, full support for your great projects in Dublin.

He walks out of the room in Leinster House and a guy comes up to him and says, you're going to do very well out of your projects, Gilmartin.

Outside the door of a meeting of cabinet members in February 1989.

As we know from the tribunal, most of those cabinet members had no memory of that, denied they were present, said it was untrue, including Bertie Ahern.

Uncle Mary O'Rourke actually piped up that she actually remembered the occasion and just completely undermined all of our cabinet members.

Do we have a notion who that person was? No, we don't.

And then there was some issue with Mary Harney.

And he goes, or was it Mary O'Rourke? And he says, so myself and a few friends, well, we went down to Athlone.

So anytime my wife's going to Athlone, she always goes, we're going down to Athlone.

Really? Because of Warwick Flynn? Because of Flynn.