[laughs]

Um, so yeah.

It [laughs]...

That I, I'm, I'm always thankful, um, that I, I had a, uh, quite a few really impactful, uh, professors at, uh, University of Connecticut, um, very much including Ken.

But, uh, my, my theory teacher, Ron Squibs, um, and at the time I was...

I started as a trumpet playing music ed major.

Um, and by the time I finished I, I did a composition degree and finished up trumpet and did some music ed on, as like a certificate thing.

Nice.