Martin Baron

I've been a source many times, not to Bob Woodward, but to others.

There is a moral dilemma, first of all, of what is your expectation? Is your expectation that once you're dead, who cares? Or is your expectation that you're going to keep my secret forever, even after I'm dead? what, because of the stories that he wrote for the Washington Post, as opposed to the books that he's written, does the Washington Post have a say in him revealing his sources when he was doing it on behalf of the Post? Apparently, Marty Baron, the former editor of the Post, prevented him from releasing Um, revealing during Brett Kavanaugh's hearings that Brett Kavanaugh was a source for him on some stuff, um, because it wasn't right from Marty Barron's point of view.

What do we think about that? I actually agree with Marty Barron as much as it pains me to say, although, you know, nothing would have made me happier than for Brett Kavanaugh to, to, to burn during those hearings.

But like, as a source, like you...

The stories were heartbreaking and then uplifting.

And so, and plus I was, I happened to be covering politics and the policy of global health and AIDS before PEPFAR and then because of my editor at the Boston Globe, Marty Baron, I and my family moved to South Africa for the first three years of PEPFAR's implementation.

So it was a time, you could look at the whole history of PEPFAR, but I felt like the first five years of it laid the foundation and there were just amazing stories everywhere you looked.

Your question about looking back and seeing trends and things that I didn't realize at the time is a very good one.

These are super complex.

Being the executive editor of the Post, we have Marty Baron, who in my opinion is the best executive editor in the world, and he's just He's killing he and his team they're doing an unbelievably good job and again back to you know I've been talking about the business model of the post we have to transition to this new way of having a small amount of money with lots of per reader with lots of readers The real reason this can work is because the post is creating riveting coverage and they're doing it they are you can't turn around a restaurant with business techniques if the food isn't delicious.

And we have delicious content.

The post is just riveting.

They are killing it.

I am so proud of that team.

People in my profession are great admirers of what the Washington Post is today under Marty Baron's leadership.

Totally.

She also regularly shared her views with us on the NewsHour.

Marty Baron, then executive editor at The Post, characterized her work this way.

MARTY BARON, Executive Editor, The Post, She writes with great intellect.

She writes with great heart.

JEFFREY BROWN, And she loves sharing her passion with young people.

It was, from what I had been reading, um, also I had been to Africa a couple of times, I just, I couldn't believe that the world was, was standing by when scores, millions of people a year were, were dying from, from AIDS.

And so I told him, "That's just what I wanna do." He and then the editor of the paper, Marty Baron, agreed with me.

They said, "Go for it.

Go travel there.

To get there was very painful, and it was very inspiring at the same time.

I was in Africa at the time.

After Bush announced it, I persuaded my editor, Marty Baron, to open the Globe's first bureau in Africa.

And so I went, moved to South Africa, and started covering the rollout of PEPFAR, and very closely got to know a lot of embassy people throughout Africa and a lot of African government people on the other side working on it.

Bezos redirected The Post's opinion section to a much more libertarian bent.

Everyone I spoke to, including Marty Baron, the f- the former editor of The Washington Post, came to the conclusion that a, a deal was struck.

Let's talk about the reasons that Bezos and Musk want to colonize space, and I know they both like love outer space.

It was like childhood fantasies for them.