Marrow Deep

Because they had like anime playing behind them On the screen when they were playing the song But like there's a couple songs That I'm like okay you know this is decent They clearly are very much enamoured With their new album because If you include a couple of collab songs As well which I will get onto mentioning But songs released in the last like Two years right or since 2024 They played 13 New songs that is Two collabs plus I think 11 out of the 12 of the new album songs which is very confident and is very a lot right so when you take into account what i've just said about again the momentum for me of like oh my god going under oh you know and then going into like three or four songs it was very very weighted and i think you could certainly look around in it there were other people in my position who uh you know maybe remember fallen from back in the day and are not so up to scratch with everything that has come out um in the last few years it was very weighted i would say as a big rock show i mean obviously the songs are already better live because you have amy lee in front of you singing them who is just absolutely incredible and she was on it all night as usual thinking about for example what i've just said about a possible like if they were to get lifted up to a big festival slot like a download headline or something like that I'm not saying cut out the new stuff because they are still to a degree relevant because, for example, one of the songs they did was the End of You song, which is the big collab they did with Poppy and Courtney LaPlante.

who poppy was one of the two support acts um the other one being kayflay who they did the song that i think it's from the john wick ballerina soundtrack they did together but fight like a girl with so they brought out kayflay and did that song uh and then at the magic state they brought out poppy through end of you i think at the london o2 show maybe because spirit box have also started their uk tour now they did have both of them so they brought out courtney as well um and like i have essentially no feelings towards that song like it's so perfectly all right but it did i don't know seemed to excite people you know out there in different areas of the rock world and garnered a lot of attention and it garnered a lot of headlines when they came and played it together and stuff so they are to a degree i think still you know making headlines and still relevant and they are still a band who kind of means something to the current crop of you know metal upcoming Stars or whatever I would say if you took those 11 new album songs I'm not saying ditch all of them You can still even have a healthy weighting of your new material But if they cut out The four most boring ones Like for example there's a song It's the starter on the album Called Beautiful Light Which I think is just like a non-starter Like it's a really boring start to the album And if you're not going to open the set with it Which they didn't do, they did it like halfway through At that point I'd just say don't bother doing it at all Take the four most boring songs From the newest album And then swap in these songs which they did not do Sweet Sacrifice Everybody's Fool What You Want, My Heart Is Broken They did nothing off the self title Which I thought was crazy Like My Heart Is Broken is just staggering And if you were going to do something like a download slot I would say you need to do that But if you took out four most boring songs from your album You still then got loads of it Because they were doing so much Just put in those four of what I would say were the hits That were notable in their absence At that stage for me Even if again I still don't really love half the material You've still got I think a very worthy Download or just any big festival slot where the um headline shot and they did of course do as i say you know uh obviously bring me to life my immortal call me when you're sober for me the the peak of the evening was uh the first like older song they did was going under which is just you know sent me over the top at that point in time because i've been building up some portion of you know like excitement for when they did a song i know um but then they follow that up with a one two of open door songs which as we know sam is a masterpiece It was a one-two of piano songs They did Lithium Which is basically, I was listening to it And I was like, this is a Funeral Doom song This song is basically Swallow the Sun But with Amy Lee singing on it That's brilliant And then they were like, yeah, this is also the 20th anniversary Of the release of our second album, The Open Door So on this tour we are playing The one song off that album that we'd never played before um which was like you which is the saddest ballad on that fucking album but that was like you know again some some deep cuts being thrown out there as well like i said if you just like it was not a bad show it was i mean it was a really great show during the parts when i was losing my fucking mind like i had a wonderful time um i just think if you address the balance a little bit like throw in a few not tons more don't have to wait it too crazily but a few more of those like standard hits i and maybe they would do that at a festival setting as opposed to like the new album support tour um then i think you would have a set to seriously reckon with when it comes to just like you know showing all the the great stuff that evanescence have done down the years and then 24 hours after that The most dramatic flip around In a small venue I went to go see Funabrarum Whose album That we reviewed a few months ago early this year Is still I think one of the handful of really great Death metal records this year And it fucking ripped so that was a really good time as well So that's what I've been up to this week What has been going on elsewhere in the news Well we're going to start off talking about a band We're going to talk about loads more later But Mastodon Did a little intimate warm-up show For the beginnings of their Going to start touring in America First of all in the support of their new album Marrow Deep But at this little small warm-up show Which they did under a pseudonym As many bands do It was Big Hairy Elephant You can clearly work out what that's describing there But they brought out with them Mr John Baisley from Baroness To join in on vocals For a run of six songs On this setlist which included several songs they have not played in a long time and these stats are crazy when i think about like these are iconic songs all in all they had not played oblivion from crack the sky since 2019 they had not played colony of birchman which to me is one of the fucking that's like hit single mastodon that's one of the biggest songs they had not played that since 2018 and And the real head-turner that I think most people recognized and said, what? Is they played Curl of the Bull for the first time since 2013, right? Over a decade.

Since the tour for The Hunter, they had not played Curl of the Bull.

And I guess we have been curious about, you know, how they might manage doing heavily Brent-led vocal songs, right? With Brent obviously not being with us anymore.

Yeah, and, you know, Sam, we have already, in the last few years we've had, rushed conversations and stuff, so this is the...

Yeah.

The natural escalation Of all of those things We are going to be embarking On our full blown Career retrospective In as many parts as it takes us to do Starting Aiming to start next week So if you want to join us On this most magical becaped of voyages over in the T&M band special pantheon then patreon.com slash that's not well is the place to do it if you genuinely you can't stand rush you don't like prog rock whatever then at the very least we're gonna have an album club pack pretty soon as well I think it should be the damnation preview pack that we often do so we're going to be talking heavy shit as well alongside this as ever so thanks everybody who comes and joins us there we're going to be talking about this a lot for the next uh handful of months so strap in everybody right okay properly let's get into today's real meat um which is as i said earlier to start the show the reviews bag for september it is a full eight slot reviews bag and we are starting with absolutely no slouch either because we have the new album from mastodon To talk about Which was released the very final The Dying Days of August We have been living with it for two to three weeks Now trying to get inside it Before talking to you guys about it here This is an album, Marrow Deep That I think everybody knows the significance of mastodon one of our collective favorite bands of all time by which i mean us the three hosts but also i imagine so many of you listening as well uh and a band whose membership remained unchanged from their formation in the year 2000 right up to 2025 those four men blazed an artistic trail together that is unrivaled by almost any heavy band Of their era for a quarter of a century And for all of that time The idea that they should lose any one of them would be unthinkable.

We all know the sad story at this stage of Brent's dismissal from the band, followed by his sudden death in a motorcycle accident last year.

You should check it out.

Uh, Marrow Deep.

Hell yeah.

Phenomenal.

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But first, Mastodon's The Poisonous Weapons Tour is going to be kicking off next week.

And their new record, Marrow Deep, is out now.

This is In The Ruins on Full Metal Jackie Radio.

Full Metal Jackie, Wolf Hoffman with us.

And my Album of the Month for September is the new album by Mastodon.

Album is called Marrow Deep, and this track is called Snakes for Dinner.

[rock music] What's left to say? I've seen it all.

Broke hearts to fall, hit hard too hard.

Uh, I'm not sure if it's involving Sid Wilson, who recently got the sack.

So, uh, who knows? Anyway, before Slipknot was Mastodon with Snakes for Dinner.

My album of the month for September is Marrow Deep.

Now then, my time, uh, my time? No.

That's so strange.

And then there's the whole album cover situation.

They used Hines' likeness after he passed.

Shouldn't that require consent?

That makes this lawsuit feel even more poignant.

Yeah, it makes you wonder how grief affects creativity.

Their new album, Marrow Deep, is a direct response to that loss.

And it's full of raw emotion, right? They're channeling that pain into their music.

On this week's episode, Metal Waltz sits down with Braun Daler of Macedon.

The two talk about the band's new album, Marrow Deep.

Walt's also joined by Metal Mayhem ROC correspondent Bill the Rager.

Bill and Bron go way back to the early 90s Rochester, New York metal days, and that longtime friendship brings some personal insight to the conversation.

They put a lot of pressure on themselves that day, but did they pull it off? Braun answers that question and more.

All right, let's get to it.

Metal Walt, Bill the Rager, Braun Daler, talking Mastodon, Marrow Deep, and remembering Brent Hines.

I'm the Vernomatic, and we are Metal Mayhem ROC.

Exactly, but doesn't that assume the band was actually fair in their calculations? I wonder what their evidence looks like.

Good point, plus this suit comes right after their new album, Marrow Deep, was released, which makes the timing feel a bit suspect.

For sure, the album's dedicated to Hines, yet here we are with all this drama.

It feels almost contradictory.

And the cover art has a figure that resembles him, which the estate argues is being used to market their music and merch.

That could complicate things legally and emotionally.

Definitely, especially since the band claimed they wanted to keep the terms of his separation confidential.

And yet, they've shared details and promotional materials for the album.