Mm.

And then once I found you and I found your movement, your community, your podcast, that was the first time I felt like, "I'm gonna be okay.

I can do this." Prior to that, I was going through all the stages of grief, you know, just feeling angry, feeling sad, feeling confused, and feeling like people just didn't understand my child and what needed to happen in order to help this person, you know, be the best human they could be.It, it was so lonely.

I felt like nobody got it.

And I think going through that most profound experience like that, it can crack you open.

You know? If you really go all the way in, [laughs] and you're like, "What does this mean?" And you realize, I'm gonna have to do all this work to be able to transform enough to see different ways, to different paths that I can take and counter the traditional systems.

I think for so long I had been like a do the thing I'm supposed to do, do what people expect, you know, fit in the, the traditional systems, you know, the education system, community systems.

Everybody's doing our best, and when we all get what we need, then we all flourish.