MarkLogic

Uh, he was running the service cloud business, um, for some time.

Uh, but he also, I, I knew him before Salesforce when he was a CEO of MarkLogic, and he made me a job offer there that I ended up turning down for Salesforce, so serendipity that we reconnected.

But he is just a wonderful mentor and, uh, he's-- I've, I, I just learned so much from Dave.

His intuition for, for, for people and business and making great decisions when you're under extraordinary pressure, because the heuristics, it's almost like his brain is a constellation of great thoughts and, and, and just patterns.