Mark Winters

Because as soon as the visionary talks, they hear a directive on the rest of the team.

I was just reading a post from Mark Winters, I think, about that exact same thing.

Because as visionaries, we tend to talk out loud.

And so we sort of say, oh, maybe we should.

It's a responsibility.

We talked about that from Mark Winters, right?

Yeah.

It's this responsibility to g- to really drive this vision.

We hired a professional, Mark Winters.

He came in, he helped us, and he held up what we refer to as the EOS mirror on our leadership team.

And it was like us, we were the issue.

And we first tried to implement this way, this framework of doing business.

And we found a little bit of success, but we were also just kind of frustrated that it wasn't working the way that it was talking about it in the book.

And so we hired a professional, Mark Winters.

He came in, he helped us, and he held up what we refer to as the EOS mirror on our leadership team.

And it was like us, we were the issue.