The hedonism stuff, The

idols, I mean, in the sort of traditional Christian models, they're pursuing the idols of material wealth, sex, status, you know, getting the likes.

These are the classic idols of the world, they call it in Christianity or in Buddhism.

It's the worldly winds, right? And some of us need to do that experiment.

I mean, you know, Buddha was a prince, right? So he kind of saw through that.

There's various Catholic saints who were, let's say, players when they were young.

And they had that experiments and they went, ah, there's got to be more to life.

And I

[chuckles]

Uh, so you know, like, that's, that's my dream.

You know, we're all gonna be having a g- having a well of a time.

And unfortunately, there is a, a death cult non-reproductive side which reproduces asexually by the sort of indoctrination of children, the indoctrination through culture.

I mean, they don't really reproduce physically because of problems with health, with, frankly, with aesthetics, without wanting to be too rude.

There's something very ugly about the death cult that, uh, at its more extreme forms.

I think we've all seen it, [chuckles] um, you know, in terms of how people dress, how people act, how people...

... "is this man saying to me?"

Yeah.

Like, it was re- yeah, it was really, really quick.

And, uh, then we got two in kinda quick succession then.

Uh, Sean Moore turned around.

He, he was provider for the first goal.

He beat the man and gave it to Freitas for a handy tap in.

And then for the second goal then, Sean Moore turned up again.

That was a big one, wasn't it?

... heard many times of it.

And unfair if you say, "Well, you just pull your socks up, it's on you." Um, all right, let's break it down.

First of all, what a great situation to be in that Peterson and the lotus eaters and other people have done so much good work that we're at a point now where that now, you know, Peterson seems old-fashioned or whatever, right? Like, that's a great situation, and you guys have done just stellar work in terms of bringing up people's thinking and identifying the problem and pointing at things and saying, "Stop gaslighting people.

These problems exist." That needed to happen, so this has been very good.

Um, i- in terms of why anything happens, first of all, you need what you could call a sufficient anthropology.

So it's a sufficient view of human beings, anthropology in the philosophical sense.

Um, the, the model I use is four things.

It's sad, yeah.

Whereas if you're actually saying to yourself, do you know what, I'm just bumbling my way through this and trying to improve incrementally, that is often much better for long-term behavior change.

I think it's overload as well.

So I said in January this year that I'm going to eat clean.

And for my version of that is that I'm going to eat as much non-processed food as possible.

So I've got a pretty boring diet, but I enjoy it.

So eggs in the morning, sourdough, all that sort of stuff that you would expect.

yogurts and berries and nuts every single day trying to get as much fish and as much veg in there as possible but not overdoing it but just the ethos is just to eat clean i think where i fall down sometimes is um where you look at the the the hype and you think all right okay am i doing enough i'm not doing enough i need to measure it how much am i going to have to do and then it become it become come quite a chore whereas if you start with an ethos you kind of see how that goes and that's kind of where i'm that's where i'm at currently on the journey of the

I know he doesn't need to lose weight.

You want to be very committed.

Yeah, it really stayed with me.

I remember I came out of a Buddhist meditation retreat to go to her 70th birthday party back when I was going through a Buddhist stage.

And I remember meeting all her ex-nun friends who all came to this 70th party, and they were still shiny.

And this is like, whatever, how many years later, 40 years, 50 years later.

And they were still shiny.

They still had something.

I read Nietzsche, I think, when I was 16,

Yeah, get

that.

Because, see, when you join something like the Forces, I mean, during my Bachelor of Arts from my counselling, my dissertation, I did a research article on the difficulties that veterans face when transitioning to civilian life.

Interesting.

And it's...

If you don't mind, it's a fascinating read.

What happens is when people join the Navy, especially at a young age, because if you look at when an individual hits maybe 16, 21, 22, that's a fundamental age gap of when an individual starts forming their own identity.

then

They're going to have to show their appreciation for you.

Yeah, no, he's done it well.

He got there in time at the line, so I look delighted with

Now, look, we're all recovered from Cheltenham, but you don't get much of a break.

No, well, we had a few days off.

We weren't resting until Tuesday, so it was grand to have a few days off after Cheltenham, but yeah, we're back into it now.