What struck you most about those two conferences?

Oh, that's a good question.

They happen to be back to back.

The one, as you would know, is an industry sponsored one and one is supposed to be non-industry and more academic and regulatory focused.

So the theme of the first one, the industry focused one, was looking at regulations and there was quite a few presentations by FDA people or regulatory people.

And then there was presentations by industry people.

And I found it was a big love in like they were so polite to one another.

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