Could you please describe for our listeners the photo that I'm bringing up on the screen right now? What are we looking at here and what was really going on for you at that time in your life?

Well, the reason I shared this photo, that photo was from 2009.

Wow.

That's 2009.

That's 17 years ago.

I was, 17 years ago, I was 33.

33 years old.

So my question is, how has your relationship with AA evolved over time and what does it

... nerding out.

When I got sober, uh, some years ago now, over 15 years I've been sober, I was doing a lot of yoga and a lot of medit- went away and did some meditation sits and spent a lot of time actually living in an ashram and really threw myself into yoga.

I wasn't sober.

I was like leaving and then I'd go on these...

It was a bit of a pendulum swing, shall we say.

[laughs] I would...

But I knew that yoga was a part of the solution.

Yeah.