Mark Holley

And I just felt it was really important to talk about, like, the real stuff going on here and what the real guys say about it.

M- archaeologist Mark Holley is the one who identified this stone feature in 2007 in Grand Traverse Bay, and he explicitly says it's not a henge, it's not a megalithic monument, it's nothing like Stonehenge, and he likes to describe it as a long line of relatively small stones that extend for more than a mile.

What does that sound like?

A fence.

Obviously, so.

And, and this is, this is all media getting involved in a way they shouldn't have.

Mark Holley says that this Lake Michigan Stonehenge label came from the media, from internet coverage, and f- you know, people just blowing up a story without any actual knowledge, both from no research being done about it, but also just not, like, thinking a little bit.

[laughs]

I'm really interested about what you were talking there about the Bible.

Because I've had a guest on here in the UK called Mark Holley, who we talked about the Bible.

He's done a lot of research into it.

the meaning of the stories in the Bible and the different lost books of the Bible and so on.

I graduated from culinary school here in Houston, and I worked the line at several restaurants.

I worked under the famed chef here, Mark Holley, if that rings a bell.

Yes, indeed.

And I...

Now, the discovery happened almost entirely by accident.

Mark Holley, a professor of underwater archaeology at Northwestern Michigan College, was conducting a routine survey of Grand Traverse Bay, which forms the northeastern edge of the Michigan Triangle.

Holley and his colleague, Brian Abbott, were not looking for ancient monuments.

They were dragging state-of-the-art sonar equipment across the bay to help map the lake bed and document a few of the area's numerous 19th century shipwrecks.