Mark Ellen

And so that record was kind of snappy and off the cuff and so forth.

And then it was followed by something that was, whether you like it or not, what was the record called, Mark? Don't Stand Me Down.

Don't Stand Me Down.

Whether you like it or not, it was unarguably ponderous, wasn't it?

That's amazing, isn't it?

And you see, you will find people who say that can't be right because their masterpiece is Asia.

Do you know what the interesting thing about those people is, Mark? Shall I just take this opportunity to point out to the people who say that Asia is Steely Dan's high point? They are what we used to call in the word office, wrong, wrong, wrongity wrong.

LAUGHTER

It's [laughs] just ...

And now most people go through life noticing those changes, but not realizing what they mean, whereas you clearly, you must have been a fast learner.

You must have looked at things and thought, "Oh, now I've got a clue.

Therefore, my next piece of work will be a, a little bit more confident," and so forth.

And then-

Let, let me, let me just finish off, Mark, on, on, on-

Oh, sorry

... on how I looked for the people, obviously.

Hi, Dave.

Hi, Mark.

Lovely to see you.

Are you in Anglesey? Are you at home?

Yeah, yeah.

And that's what, that's what I just heard a- as a kind of ambient sound.

And then I started, I remember I had to go to, I went to Shepherd's Bush Market, to a reggae store, and pushed my way through the, the Rastas, who were giving me daggers, and you know, wanting an LP.

And I thought, "I want that LP.