Well, yeah, we were still in the shadow of 9/11 at, at that point

We were, yes.

So, so again, those two exceptions under very, very unusual s- circumstances.

So it's the norm for a president to lose seats.

In fact, again, if you go back to World War II, the average is 26 seats, okay? There was a strong sense, and, you know, President Trump, let's say, is not the most versed person in history, but he was mindful of what he was up against.

That's what began this whole what I call gerrymandering jag.

They redrew the lines in Texas, they redrew- drew the lines, all of it seen as a way to buttress Republicans.

I mean, they've just-