Marie Tillman

Yeah, it's hard to describe how surreal that was.

I had come back, and early in Team Rubicon, I had met Pat's widow, Marie Tillman, who's since remarried and married to a great, great guy.

And that was really incredible to just get to know her a little bit early in the days of Team Rubicon.

And then, you know, in 2018, I was sitting around and I got a phone call and it was a producer from ESPN, I think.

Yep.

Because I did always have that as my wife calls it, like a savior complex.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I'm like, oh, really? So yeah, I was like, let's do it.

And then like any good story, a woman came into my life and ruined every play I had.

I actually reconnected with someone I had known in high school in Florida, Paige, my now wife.

We were just friends back then because she lived on the I lived on the trailer park side of the highway.