Margus Tsahkna

Estonia, of course, nestled in the armpit of Russia, as it were, just up there in the Baltic.

Margus Tsahkna, he suggests that Russia is actually already attacking Europe.

And of course, if you look at those exploding drones, the cyber espionage, the pipeline sabotage, airbase plots, the incursion constantly of Russian jets and ships, uh, all around into European space.

Uh, so Margus Tsahkna's take is that, yes, we're already under attack, and he has a very catchy headline.

Here we go.

"Russia is turning on the heat," he says, "and trying to boil Europe like a frog." Yeah, that's uncomfortable.

Um, we've seen the heat turned up in the sense that, uh, the UK Prime Minister and German Chancellor met in Berlin yesterday to talk about cyber, military, whatever threats are coming, without specifically always saying Russia, but from that direction.

And then as you say, Estonia's Foreign Minister, Margus Tsahkna, he has suggested that Russia is actually already attacking Europe, and indeed therefore attacking NATO.

And I have heard this from one or two other commentators saying, "Just because they haven't actually rolled a tank into Germany or Poland or wherever, doesn't actually mean that they're not attacking us." And of course, this is about cyber attacks, exploding drones at airports, pipeline sabotage, air base plots with arrests, and previously we've seen, after all, a murder in a, an English cathedral, for goodness' sake.

So the take of Margus Tsahkna is he's given us a very catchy headline, "Russia is turning on the heat and trying to boil Europe like a frog." That's a [laughs] statement that doesn't go away very easily.