Yeah.

And, you know, working in HR and reporting to the HR director at the time.

I was young in my career, you know, moving up.

Yeah.

And so after I left that role, I landed in another company that had a very, very opposite, completely opposite style of managing.

And I'm not even going to... call it managing, the person that I reported to who was a executive level person was a servant leader.

And I didn't have the label at the time.

And I'm curious, you know, does this ring true to you? And, you know, as as you because obviously you're a great podcaster, but you're also, you know, someone who's worked with a lot of organizations over the years.

Why don't you tell me your thoughts on the impact of a toxic workplace and why it matters for our audience that's listening today?

I was in a hospital environment.

I was moving up the ranks in an executive.

It's sort of a junior executive role in HR.

And I was reporting to a CEO who is one of my preceptors because I was doing rotations in the hospital.

sort of like a residency.

I was doing that as an HR resident, learning the tools of the trade.

But give us a little overview of what you're doing today and the type of research that, you know, this this event unlocked for you.

So we're going to flash back

to 2005.

I was at a hospital working my way up the corporate ranks.

I was an HR guy.

And I was working under an extremely stressful environment.

Why was it stressful? It was stressful because management operated through a very rigid, very hard command and control style, very authoritarian, top down.

And do as I say, I didn't really have a voice.

If you wouldn't mind doing a highlight for From the book, it'd be great for individuals to then get a better taste of the things that are mentioned in the book.