Do you think he was a good coach, Mark?

So I do think that Kevin Stefanski is a good coach.

I think what happened, and it's very much a Browns thing too.

I know I jab him on our show because I'm just kind of like another, he was there longer than most Browns coaches.

Most of them are there for like, you know, an autumn into winter and they're gone.

And then you're paying them for the next four years.

Stefanski was there for six years and the team just seems so topsy-turvy.

Can I respond from a Browns angle?

What are you buying? What are you selling from that thesis?

I do buy it, because I was thinking about that sort of exact framework of the question earlier today.

And it was just like, I'd have to go back, because forget OBJ.

I don't think that really worked.

The Odell Beckham thing didn't really work with Cleveland the way that I think anyone thought it would.

You'd have to go back decades because it's been a troubled landscape.

It's not the Ravens' history of drafting wide receivers.

And yet I have found myself... like rooting for against all odds rooting for Shador Sanders because I think we can all three agree like universally we're not rooting for Deshaun Watson I think there's no right there's no hope that that is turning around but I think you could at least squint if like all right they mess around with Watson to do the sunk cost thing for a couple of weeks and maybe they turn to Shador like can this work how insane do you find that level of optimism

What, w- where does your mind go, uh, with this matchup, Seahawks versus the Rams?

I think Seattle is the...

Because of how quickly they've grown up before our eyes, um, one of the most interesting teams in the league.

Um, and it's the kind of team that can pleasure the nerds, it can pleasure those that love brutality, it can pleasure the bar...

the guy at the bar.

It's kind of everything, right? And they are very solid all over the place.

And you're right.

How do you feel? Chiefs going to Denver to take on the Broncos.

Mm-hmm.

Right? Like, everyone's, like, they see.

Like, um, Christoph Waltz as, uh, Dr.

King Schultz in Django Unchained, like, um, I think he's got this heart of gold.

He's fire.

He speaks with fire to his friends.

He's willing to go against society.

And get that blaster ready, Mike Fuentes.

Maybe both.

The Ravens...

Well, sorry, the Ravens, um-... had a very, like, uh, y- in a way, an off, an off season that is atypical for them.

They didn't lose a lot of players.

They kept a lot of coaches.

Like, it's been consistent, but the Bills have also been so consistent for years and it's like, I just kinda look at them the way that I looked at Ravens teams of old, where there isn't a lot of turnover.

Like, there's some young players on defense and we need to see some of the young players on offense, but I kinda view Buffalo as that team that's like, when is this gonna happen? It's, it need- it...

No doubt.