Manuel Ardao

But, like, Rodrigo ha- is an out- outstanding player, uh, very focused.

Uh, when you speak with c- uh, when you speak with coaches that, uh, you know, were involved in his upbringing, especially when he was 16, 17, his brother Manuel was rated more highly than Rodrigo.

Rodrigo was seen, okay, good runner, but nothing else, uh, surprising.

Then he went to a 7s Rabo Europe Championship, and from there it, like, everything was completely different.