MagicDraw

Uh, and that, that changes a lot.

I think it actually points to an important thing, 'cause I mean, I, I love-- Uh, it'll always be MagicDraw to me.

I've never adopted the Cameo name.

It'll always be MagicDraw to me.

But I love MagicDraw, and I've built many models in it.

Um, but I think, I think what this really points at opening up, um, is the broadening of the systems engineering discipline in practice, right? I think that's the real objective here is that, you know, many universities offer a spectrum of degrees in systems engineering, systems engineering research, uh, sy-systems engineering subspecialties.

I think that's what this has the power to bring forward.

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