Magic for Humans

anybody.

So what was most interesting to me about you outside of just my... freakishly excited obsession with magic and how you do it is, you know, magic for humans, the way that you're doing it seems to be about building connection or leaving people feel more connected, which I don't know is always the route that everyone takes to get it across.

And that's what I try to do with my music.

So I'm really interested to just pick your brain on how you got there.

dark at least.

And Penn and Teller were pretty dark, you know, blood and guts and stuff.

And, you know, I think with magic for humans, you know, when it was finally a chance, like I was at the right place at the right time to be given a, you know, a chance to make whatever I wanted.

I think up until that point, I don't know if I knew myself well enough to know what I had to say yet.

That was a Netflix special too.

I had a series Magic for Humans on Netflix.

Magic for Humans.

That was it.

I

You know, no F-bombs or anything like that.

But it wasn't until I think that I ha- Like, even the first season of Magic for Humans, there's stuff in there that I am surprised that I didn't think ahead that kids would be watching this.

Mm-hmm.

You know, just, uh, just certain more overt jokes that, you know, an eight-year-old would not go over their head, and they'd be like, "What, what, what does that mean?" You know, to their parent.

How did you pull that off?

Well, you know, I'd kinda been in their ethos for a while.

Pitched them a, like, Magic for Humans, which was their first magic series.

And I think I was at the right place, right time that they didn't have, like, a th- you know, 1,000 shows coming out a year.

Yeah, we did ...

Well, I d- had a series, Magic for Humans, on Netflix.

And, uh-

Magic for Humans.

There you go.

That was it.

That was a Netflix special too.

Yeah, we did, well, I d- had a series, Magic for Humans, on Netflix.

Magic for Humans.

There you go.

And, you know, v- very tight community, all successful, doing stuff, but, like, Justin Willman, who's broken through.

Of course, Magic For Humans.

Yeah, and, and, you know, David Blaine and the, the it's happened before.

But there's, for every one that breaks through, there's just that whole community that never really gets that light shined on them.

I'd be like, "Can you guys really not hear me?" No.

"You really can't hear me?" It reminds me of the Magic for Humans episode where- Oh my God ...

oh, what's the name of the host? I'm blanking on it.

But he does a magic experiment where everyone is in on the joke, and he makes this person think that no one can see or hear him.