Madden Riordan

So some struggle grades over there on your defensive side.

And not all those guys have played a ton, because I think that's Tom Tom, that's Madden Riordan, that's Albert Hill.

So guys that, young guys... that we think are very talented, but have not played a ton necessarily and do not have the best grades.

Similarly, with the overall grades, someone like Matt Riordan, who are nothing but positive things about in the preseason, did not grade out well in those first couple games when he got some opportunities, and so that's dragging you down a little bit, similar with Tom Tom.