Mac Thornberry

And by the way, the defense industrial base is simply a reflection of the overall industrial base.

I co-chair with Mac Thornberry the Reforge Commission through the Atlantic Council, and we grapple quite a bit with this issue of, you know, is the national security community pinning these two pieces together? So much so that if you don't believe that the United States and China are going to go to war, you don't believe we need a healthy industrial base.

And the Iran conflict, I think, arrived at a time to help illustrate that even absent a great power war, if you will, that you have major challenges in the industrial base that need to get solved.

So on to China.