Lynne Spiegel Spillman

Yeah.

That's because our team, led by Jesse, it used to be Lynn Spillman years ago, but it's Jesse Tannenbaum now.

Lynn Spillman, GOAT.

Yeah, GOAT.

Yep, yep.

So she calls the next day.

And she goes, hey, I'm Lynn Spillman.

I'm head casting director for Survivor and Amazing Race.

And she's like, generally who I pick to go on the show goes on it.

I love

that.

Lynn Spillman was also one who would, she would watch people.

So she could have been watching you for a minute.

And look, we know that in Survivor Kageyan, the casting was great.

Lynn Spillman.

Mm-hmm.

All right.

And they said, "You know, you've, you're hyper-competitive.

There's a lot of things that you can do that you do pretty well, and you get along with most anybody." So they saw, like, the real me, but that's not necessarily who, when I sent my tape in, that's not necessarily who Survivor or Lynn Spillman or casting saw.

Right.

Because, you know, A, they got, they just got, like, a two-minute videotape.

That's crazy.

crazy.And then, um, Survivor Africa came and, um, and I made it all the way to the finals, which, you know, most, a lot of your fans and listeners probably know that that means you go, you spend a week or two in a, in a hotel and, and it's, it's really the, the last stage.

And I made it to that point, and honestly, at the end of that stage, um, the big, the big three that, that were in charge of the decision process for who got cast, which is Lynn Spillman, Jeff Probst, and Mark Burnett, they had all cast me aside.

I was not to be on Survivor.

Yeah.

Yeah, but I think, I think that was the beauty of Lynn Spillman recruiting at the bars in Los Angeles.

Yes, yes.

She was, she was like, "I want good-looking people on my show.

Yeah

... inform their game of Survivor.

When back in the day, especially in the Lynn Spillman era, it was like, "Well, when I'm on the beat as a cop, this is how I interrogate people, so I'm gonna do that here on the island."

Well, me, I, I brought wrestling into Survivor.

So the first thing was the callback.

I think it was Lynn Spillman herself that called me back.

And when she was done talking to me, it's your spot to lose.

Don't blow it.