LUT University

But it came, I think, after 2014 or something like this.

And LUT has kind of gained a lot of traction.

They've made a good progress, several startups spinning off on this topic.

And the background for Which led to me into this company.

And then he had an R&D project, neocarbon.

He was at VTT.

And together with LUT, they envisioned to utilize CO2 to make fuels.

And that was kind of also the origination of this company because the local serial entrepreneur Ari Pispainen saw it on the local newspaper that LUT and VTT want to make fuels out of CO2.