Luke Clancy

And, and he is seems, he seems to me to be deeply involved with this.

And, uh, yeah, as a result of this, he would not enjoy, [chuckles] he would not enjoy Luke's jokes or indeed my efforts at jokes.

What he, what he does, I mean, he does believe in joy, which is, you know, I, um, some of us find joy in flippancy, some of us find it elsewhere.

But he does seem to believe in joy.