Luke Burgis

And you're listening to The Double Wind Show.

So today, we have a fascinating and kind of surprising in the direction that it went, conversation with Luke Burgis, who, um, really talks about the idea that you better know what kind of success you want before you become successful, or you can end up achieving the wrong thing or finding it unsatisfying.

And we had a deeply meaningful conversation about the nature of work, the nature of desire, of calling, of how to discern those things.

I mean, it kind of went all sorts of different directions than we had anticipated, but it was so rich.

I feel like I'm can see the world slightly differently and, and navigate the, the overabundance of new stuff a little bit better.

I interviewed Luke Burgis, and he wrote a book about mimetic desire.

I cite it all the time on the podcast 'cause it's just fascinating.

But a lot of our desire for something new isn't genuinely ours.