What are you talking about, sequence? What does that mean?

I mean, so if we did the face-on view, there's not a whole lot of this.

He doesn't get any transition.

And certainly, we're not gonna see a whole lot of, like, the chest still turning as he's going down.

So see how my chest turns and I'm going down and forward? Like, there's not a whole lot of that action.

And also, like, if you watch his pelvis, there's no up and down, so very poor vertical, uh, stuff there.

So can you turn on, um, on the left side you got the velocity vector one, and then you should do a mirror with C- with, uh, Rory there so we can do a... s- take a look at Rory down the line.

Show that, talk about the velocity vector again.

... that process.

It's a total game changer.

Um, so when I started this project, it was literally about three or four years ago where it kind of...

My, my idea was to li- just write basically a manual for my students that would help them as onboarding students.

So if they're gonna come take a lesson, this is what we can expect, and this is kind of the stuff you should know.

And it turned into a 600-page book on how to learn golf 'cause it was really fun.

Um, and, and, uh, the mindset and, of learning how to train without a ball, I took to the most extreme degree.

... that are aimed at the right place.

Uh, what is transfer training and why is it important? Luke, I'll kick it to you for this one, 'cause this is, this is right up your alley.

Yeah.

I've actually spent quite a bit of time looking at this, 'cause it's a, it's a core part of what we do.

Um, so I think the more s- most relevant one to think about would be this guy named Rich Masters, and Rich did a lot of research on this idea of explicit learning and implicit learning, okay? So implicit would mean I'm not using rules in my mind.

I'm not thinking about what I'm trying to do.

I'm not using a lot of prefrontal cortex to develop a plan.

I'm mostly just reacting to what the environment is.

Yeah.

Interesting.

It's not even a contest.

Like, it's, you can't even debate it.

Once you start coaching online, you can see...

Let's say I take you on as a student.

You send me a video every day for 14 days.

You can practice 10 minutes a day.

What's, like, your top level, 40,000-foot-view goal for, like, golfers and golf instruction over the next five or 10 years? Like, what are you wanting to get towards?

yeah.

Right.

So kind of right in there, like you see the big difference of.

The hand path.

The hand path is completely different.

And, and a lot of that was just like, we spent 20 minutes on ground force first.

And so this kind of gets into, I know we're talking a little bit about.

I

We'll have you guys, um, run-

It like...

It might even be interesting to be like, what are you looking at? So face on is much more about like sequencing and, and power, and down the line's a lot more about like direction.

It's talking...

It's a lot more about path and plane and why you might hit it straight to some degree, right? They're just gonna give you more different information.

Yeah, I've seen the, the face on.

I can, I can almost somewhat predict someone's hand path on the downswing based on how their spine is angled as well.

Yeah

Okay.

Um, so this is, this is a freezer, so I'm, I'm trying to illustrate the cannon.

And so the big turn, and you can see how the chest keeps turning back while the mass is going down and forward.

And you guys know I love Parallax 'cause you can basically have a launch monitor or not a...

It looks like a poor man's force plate.

So you can see where the mass is going, so I'm going down over that lead foot, and that's not gonna change very much from an iron to a driver, but the ver- like the magnitude of force will be higher, right? But you're going down over it, and then the lead leg's straightening pretty hard.

And I, I always do it too late.

Yes

Mm-hmm.

So like it's very hard to predict injury rates based on position.

So we're doing a study here where we...

Stuart McGill has helped contribute a little bit and talk about it, and my guy Phil Hurter.

We're gonna do a study on basically like trying to see if there's any way to kind of predict back pain based on if we add speed training to a swing, and we're gonna see if there's anything.

The literature is pretty, pretty hard to say for sure.

I mean, we look at side bend and tilt, what they call crunch factor, to predict it.

I have no idea anymore.

... grab precedence, correct?

Totally.

Nobody that I know can go to the range and purposely try to focus 100% on the swing and not be conflicted by trying to hit a good shot, even if the ball's in front of them.

So during a lesson I will say over and over, 'cause eventually you do need to take to the ball.

But I'll say, "Please just hit a terrible shot for me, but make the swing you want." And when we're trying to change patterns, you need to understand that you're changing these, um, myelinated pathways of neurons, and it's basically like you have an old pattern which is basically the Colorado River in the Grand Canyon.

That is the old pattern.

That is super comfortable, and you can perform it.

Yeah.

You just kind of have to learn how to, how to manage it."

Yeah, I mean, so, so I look at like what...

If you, if you give him...

If Crafty and I said, "All right, let's give this person a mechanics index," and we both agree that they swing in like a three, right? But we know they're a 12, and so Crafty and I will sometimes send texts and we'll say, "What-" We'll send texts.

Guys, we should put the text chain on the podcast.

Oh my God, this is funny.

So it'll be middle of the day Friday, and I'll see this swing come through, and this thing is beautiful, right? Yeah.

Yeah.

Like, if you, if you wanna, we could pull up a swing and just show my hands going-

If anyone has a club in their hand, like, get the club into your hands in a straight line.

See if I can do this.

You have the most range of motion to twist the handle when your arms and your club are in a l- dead vertical straight line.

So if the handle was super high at impact.

Now, make this a 40-degree angle or something like that, and try to do the same amount of twisting, and you don't have the capability of twisting the face quite as much.

So when there's a...

Well-

Okay.

So it's kinda like if you get too thick, you might get a flyer, but you also lose a ton of ball speed and smash factor, right? So normal rough that is kind of lush and green, you're not gonna get a big flyer effect even though spin might be a little lower.

So it's really the, the drier, wispier stuff where the club is not slowed down that tends to maintain ball speed, but then it also is gonna have much less spin.

And then there's the inverse of when you lower spin, what happens with the launch because you don't get the grab on the face like the whole D plane and I don't, you know, basically it's not gonna grab.

So what's gonna happen? It's gonna launch much higher.

But how much it launches higher depends on the club you hit.

And so what I mean by that, like if you have a lob wedge, you know how a lob wedge is 60 degrees.

Yeah

So I think that is very helpful.

I, I appreciate that.

You know, not, not always is it simple, simple for everybody, but my, my goal would be, like, even if we're doing multiple things, like, it all makes sense, and we can always find stuff that you could simply go change and go play with right away.

Or if you wanna break it down, we're gonna use foam balls, and we can talk more about that.

But, you know, golf lessons should make sense, and they should be easy.

And, and, and it's amazing how often you can get the right tip, and it literally takes 30 seconds.

I was talking to one of my guys, Caleb, uh, Van Ergen, a guy that's in second stage of tour school, and he's a great player.

Uh, tell us a little bit about the, uh, new product you guys are rolling out.