Lucy Lang

And what really drew it to me was really the passion of the people that interviewed me.

So at the time it was Lucy Lang, who is now the commissioner of business and economic affairs.

She was the president of the board at the time.

John DeWest Blair was the current president and all of the staff, which was really like, it was very awkward for me, but it was very nice.

Also talked about leadership and how to, uh, grow a, a, a huge company from just a, a thought in his mind.

We talked with Lucy Lang, the IG of the State of New York, about educating young people in, in terms of what is government oversight and government accountability, a- and clever techniques that she and her office use, strategies used to, to engage the public, as she says, to put the public in public integrity.

Uh, that's a really interesting episode that I encourage all of you to listen to.

Another example is Elie Honig.