Louis Theroux

And I was like, oh man, that's bleaker, I think.

I think being a Louis Theroux-like observer on someone else's stag is like, yeah, this is shit, but I'm going to get a story out of this.

Being on your own stag being like, please kill me.

Is that too much ketamine, do you think? Is that a normal amount? You said you're disabled.

Because of the brickening, they were going to give it an NC-17, so they had to take several parts out.

But I will say, this, along with the Louis Theroux Netflix documentary about incels coming out at the same time, is actually waking some young men up.

Because I hate to say this, because I'm not going to say it's a man versus woman thing, but a lot of men have been, especially young men, have been kind of like, conditioned into the manosphere to think that that is normal behavior to think that you're better than women and that women aren't human beings they're possessions that you should

own

Yeah, right.

And for that, I reckon that's... because so much of the look maxing has been in the documentaries, like Louis Theroux touched on it.

Yes.

And it's just been, you know, there's been so many influences in court as well.

I call it like clear eyes, open mind, but clear eyed, right? So still maintaining your critical faculties, still querying things, still trying to understand why they believe, but I'm not there to shit stir.

The Louis Theroux documentary on the Manosphere came out very early on when we were filming.

And we'd already started filming.

And I love Louis Theroux.

I've got nothing but respect for him.

I've interviewed him.

I mean, well, it's more doom and gloom, but I'm plugging in another podcast very briefly, but I think everyone knows about it.

But Louis Theroux has a podcast.

And look, Louis Theroux is Louis.

But particularly last week, he and John Ronson chatted together and it was like a mirror talking to a mirror.

Oh.

Right.

Like we saw in the Louis Theroux documentary, for example, you had someone who was like, American raised but South Asian I think in his background and then you had the other British guy who was also like a mixed biracial guy and then you had the white American like you've got a mix of people and and Andrew Taint is also not a fucking what is he I don't even know what he is I

don't know what this then means for us trying to analyze that space and understand it more look at that I just think that I'm uncomfortable with the easy outs that the patriarchy conversation gives these men because it kind of puts them in that space where they're victims of something.

Some of them are victims of the system, but I feel like the people driving that, from its beginnings also, we're talking about something now that has been around for years.

So we're not, including us, like I said, we're not the target audience.

We don't see this stuff in our algorithms.

So other than a Louis Theroux documentary, maybe a couple comments, maybe a few articles here and there, or the TV show Adolescence, for example, we're not...

in the manosphere to fully understand and get like, oh, it does this.

I've been listening to side recommendation.

I've been listening to the, you know, as I mentioned a couple months ago, I've re-found Louis Theroux and he has a podcast and he talks to people.

And I listened to the John Wilson episode of who John Wilson did the how-to with John Wilson on HBO series.

Nathan Fielder produced that.

yeah it's it was unbelievable and every single family did exactly the same thing at one point they got nannies um and the nannies absolutely destroyed the fam the family structure because you had the female partners of of the families that didn't have to work if they didn't want and none of them did uh and they went out and saw the friends for lunch meetings and they went shopping and because they could have a nanny they had a nanny and all the children grew up resentful of the mum because the mum could have looked after him and didn't and every single family falls foul of it and it massive there's something about getting a nanny when when you don't have to technically

Quite interesting because I heard Louis Theroux speaking the other day and he was saying that how we've stopped doing everyday tasks and then we go to the gym to expend energy.

So people will get someone to mow their lawn.

And as that person is mowing their lawn, they drive to the gym and start doing weights.