right so now did did this strike you lewis or when this happened did you like were you like hey this is something

so different unique i i think for those listening that i'd like to just put this out there when it comes to you know consuming podcasts and and stuff like that like sonny said we If we're doing things properly, we have important things to do in our life.

And if we're treating our time with respect to give the listeners to this who maybe haven't listened to either or of the podcasts of Craig Head, I'm just going to give like the 30 second synopsis here.

The first interview was kind of like Craig Head's life story.

How he got to the SAS, you know, stuff like that.

It wasn't necessarily about this incident.

The second one is the first time that Christian Craighead has publicly talked about.

But all of that out of the way, I'll ask you, what was your first note?

If you've never done single-handed in training, you probably should go to

better training.

Yeah.

And it's, it's okay to take a class you've taken before.

Yeah.

You know, Jaeger put as a student before any kind of business relationship or working at tactical response, uh, The third time I took fighting pistol, Jaeger was like, oh, take it right hand only.

Make sure you hold a tennis ball or something in your left hand so that you're not tempted to use it or tape it shut, something.

And if you can't hit

If you've never done single-handed in training,

you probably should go to better training.

Yeah.

And it's okay to take a class you've taken before.

Yeah.

You know, Jaeger, as a student, before any kind of business relationship or working at tactical response, the third time I took fighting pistol, Jaeger was like, oh, take it right hand only.

Make sure you hold a tennis ball or something in your left hand so that you're not tempted to use it or anything.

Moving left-handed only, go.

Somebody making a circle, a donut-only rifle optic.

Yeah, I think it's hard enough to try and open people's eyes with the pistol.

And I think we, we get a little bit back or I get a little bit back from people in that, okay, less points of contact, less consistency on things.

So like we were saying earlier, you get a piece of that moon in there and it gives me back that crude side alignment.

We're also dealing with smaller windows, which accentuates the advantages of the donut or circle only reticle in my view.

Once we get into like the bigger windowed, especially EOTech, rifle optics, one of the things that makes them great is that their window is typically much bigger than that of a tubed red dot.

So what is, for the audience, what is Hicks Law? Not everybody knows.

So Hicks Law is something to the effect of the more options we have or potential choices there are, our time to make decision goes up exponentially.

Somebody making a circle, a donut-only rifle optic.

Yeah, I think it's hard enough to try and open people's eyes with the pistol.

And I think we...

We get a little bit back, or I get a little bit back from people in that, okay, less points of contact, less consistency on things.

So like we were saying earlier, you get a piece of that moon in there, and it gives me back that crude sight alignment.

We're also dealing with smaller windows, which accentuates the advantages of the donuts.

or circle-only reticle, in my view.

So what is, for the audience, what is Hick's law? Not everybody knows.

person he's he's he's one of us

Yeah, he's just a genuinely good human being.

I think Grantham reached out to him to be on video sooner, but he was attending memorials and things of that nature and wanted to be with his community, the community where this happened and whatnot, and didn't want to jump in for the fame.

So on that alone...

Like, again, big, big kudos.

And he mentioned something about that off-duty guy and the fact that he ran towards the sound of gunfire, right? So in some ways his mindset was right, and it's awful to dogpile him.

Yeah.

I'm like, where have you been? And like, what have you been doing?

They're trapped

... yeah, from, from a simple target acquisition or easy target, target of opportunity kind of calculus, it, that says, "Hey, there's fish in that barrel and it can't move.

They can't run me over 'cause it's plugged in." Um, so, uh, I, I wouldn't go too much into his intent or, or political leanings based on just that, because if he wanted to kill people, then that seems like a good way to do it, if you understand what I'm-

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

So there's a video that I really like to show, and if you'll let me pull it up here, I- I've got it ready to go on the next screen.

Um, but before I show it, I'm gonna ask you, how long...

Let's say I was a dad worried about the safety of, of my family and being able to help them.

How long would it take you to teach me how, how to properly apply a tourniquet, um, where it needs to go, all...

So moving on from training, other definitions we need to agree on.

I'm going to go ahead and cross off training and practice.

Those are two that I had just because so closely related, like to hit reps real quick.

This is one that we're trying to be very careful of using the, down here like hey give me 10 reps of that as a way to um increase experience and experience level comfortability um competency because i think the term repetition there's there's nothing really that is deviated between one repetition to another.

And it, it maybe shouldn't be right.

Like at, at, at your level of lifting now, when you do squats, you want clean reps. Yeah.

You want what you know is a squat, the things that you need to do to make it correct.

What's

... that point in your life.

Yeah.

Big...

A, a lot of it.

A lot, lot of it.

But, like, at this point, if, if Matt Reynolds were going to the gym by himself and not videotaping it, and he told me he went and trained today, I...

If he w- if he told me he trained and PR'd, I would be suspect.

Mm-hmm

Is that when it happened?

Well, so I think I, as far as I know, I call, I call these VTAC barricades.

And so that is, that is Kyle lamb, something that, that he came up with the putting some things at some different angles and, and, making some tough things.

So he created a tool.

He created a tool in, in my mind to help people understand offset and things of that nature when shooting in confined spaces.

So to know that if you're shooting in, through a mail slot that you might have your optic right through there.

But if you're holding it traditionally, you're going to end up punching holes down in here.

right yeah yeah we all we understand that we're pretending that the other holes don't exist when we're using it

I know that for a fact now, that if the buttons are sticking out and they're on the inside or the holster side, the chances are that they're going to get inadvertently pushed while you're carrying

the gun.

Yeah, and some of that may be a little bit... uh like know your use case so because like same optic in like my kydex holster that's cut out for the optic they're gonna they might touch my skin but it's not going to be that tight like a leather or a hybrid holster would be kind of pushing against the body shield on it yeah Might not be as big of an issue.

One of the things I really don't like with buttons is the really big button on one side and another really big button on the other side.

Because that seems to really get in the way or get inadvertently hit when manipulating the slide.

Because I do not like... knife-handing and basically hitting the front of the optic.

I go over the top the same way I grip a slide on a old fashioned gun.

it's not.

so they can, they can pick all of that

stuff up using these glasses.

You walked into Walmart and the first thing you noticed was the peeps that were, you know, on display because it was right before Easter.

And, the next thing you noticed was the air conditioning unit over there and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

I think if we had those glasses or access to them while people shot, some of the data that we would get from that would absolutely blow people's minds, like completely blown minds.

Um, and like it, So they think they're able to train stuff out, but it's because they're maybe no longer paying attention to those distractions on the way to the other thing.

But that doesn't mean the distractions are not happening at all.

where

Uh, so we talked about at the very beginning, give us an kind of a, a 10,000-foot view of what was the no games six days of training in Texas.

[coughs] Okay.

So it was something that came about, was started with us wanting to put on a shotgun class here in Texas.

And, uh, knowing Tim Morris and, and his depth of knowledge with running shotguns and of all different kinds and kind of being in charge of the shotgun program, if you will, at Tactical Response for a long time, uh, his, his knowledge on that and his experience is, is totally awesome, so definitely someone we wanted to try and get down here.

Then-When it got into calling Tim to come down, I called up a few other buddies, like Jay, and I'm like, "Hey, what are you doing that week?" Or, "In this one-month timeframe, does anybody have, like, a free week or two?" And so got everybody's schedules where it lined up, and was like, "Wait.

Okay.

So everyone seems to be able to make, like, can make it here from the 25th through the 30th." So we can do two days of each weapon.

Mm-hmm.