Lorna Wing

And I think, yeah, so it's been a really important shift in how people think about autism, how they include autistic voices in the thinking, and how important that is actually.

And I guess that's grown because I think the conceptualization of autism has shifted to understand that there are people, and that really comes from the work of Lorna Wing, who learned from the translations of Hans Asperger's, that there were people who didn't have intellectual disability and who were verbally articulate, who could describe their experiences that were very in keeping, that were about being autistic, but we could learn from those people and include those experiences in the conceptualization.

And benefit from the strengths and the positive aspects that they bring.

And you've talked then about these main aspects that characterize autism.